Working on Sunday

Michael Vichiola said:

Can Christians work on sunday?

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By this you mean, can we work on the day that we had set aside for worship, whether it is a Sunday or the traditional sabbath?

dqhall said:

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In the Torah they stoned people for picking up sticks on the Sabbath.

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Eating on the Sabbath is not prohibited.

ewq1938 said:

Yep. That's because any working/any gathering was breaking the Sabbath yet Christ and his disciples gathered food on the Sabbath. They were supposed to gather all food the day before but they had an important mission/ministry that did not take days off so the Sabbath rules did not apply to them.

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No they gleaned. If they gathered and stored or sold, it would have been prohibited.

Charles Kanyuga said:

If the Moses represented the old covenant that is the law (works for redemption), then there must be a new covenant through Jesus Christ even grace- the LORD's REST.

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The idea that Jews believed they worked for salvation is not exactly true, it is a Christian misunderstanding. While works are part of their lives, they see it as an expression of their faith. And, they are correct as "faith without works is dead being alone." The 'rest' that is spoken of in the NT isn't now... you are still decaying, getting disease, dying... you are not at rest. That will come in the Millennial Kingdom.

The results of this poll (so far) amazes me.

During my life I have worked on many Sundays.
But, as I think back on those days
I know that it wasn't right.

Now days my wife and I enjoy Sunday church, a little snack with a nice Sunday nap.

God took a day of rest
and expects us to do the same.

Sunday should be our special day
to worship and honor God.
That's what we do up top the mountain.

M-Bob

Mountainmanbob said:

The results of this poll (so far) amazes me.

During my life I have worked on many Sundays.
But, as I think back on those days
I know that it wasn't right.

Now days my wife and I enjoy Sunday church, a little snack with a nice Sunday nap.

God took a day of rest
and expects us to do the same.

Sunday should be our special day
to worship and honor God.
That's what we do up top the mountain.

M-Bob

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Don't forget, some cannot avoid it, like those of us in the medical field. Such as doctors, nurses, EMTs, Paramedics, CNA and LPNs. Then you got firefighters, cops and the military.

Ken Rank said:

The idea that Jews believed they worked for salvation is not exactly true, it is a Christian misunderstanding. While works are part of their lives, they see it as an expression of their faith. And, they are correct as "faith without works is dead being alone." The 'rest' that is spoken of in the NT isn't now... you are still decaying, getting disease, dying... you are not at rest. That will come in the Millennial Kingdom.

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I believe that rest is now and will be quoting Hebrews 4:10, For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Rest is not just to come but is... The works that are hypocritical are not an expression of faith towards God. Jesus for instant gave a parable of the "good Samaritan" , as it is popularly known, showing us that the pharisee and the scribe displayed a hypocritical observance of their faith by walking away from a man who needed their help. The faith by works is not mere observance of the law but doing exactly as it was summarized by both Moses, Jesus and the apostles in that the whole summary of the law is love... if you read James in context he has the same understanding that true religion is in giving love to others.
The idea of Millennial Kingdom is also not consistent with the scriptures... The Millennials are looking for a kingdom that will come but Jesus taught that the kingdom of God is within a man. It is already manifested in that God reigns in us with Jesus Christ... Paul said that we are have been raised up with Christ and are seated with him in the heavenly places. Furthermore, when God created man in his image and likeness he gave him authority to have dominion over all things. Man was not to expect to have a futuristic dominion but a continuous one. So the kingdom of God is continuous so that he is the one who was and is and is to come.
The scriptures cannot contradict itself when it says that the body will go to dust from whence it came from and the spirit to God who gave it. For that reason the body must go through that decaying process because it is expected to... further more no flesh can inherit the kingdom of heaven.
We are not resting from the physical work but from works that we must do to proof our faith in God. We must only truly and full grace do the expectation of God... Jesus said a new commandment i leave with you love one another... I add in loving one another truly an with grace can we express our faith. It is in loving others that our faith is perfected and we become perfect Just as God is for God is love.

Charles Kanyuga said:

I believe that rest is now and will be quoting Hebrews 4:10, For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Rest is not just to come but is... The works that are hypocritical are not an expression of faith towards God.

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I was kind of hoping you went here because you did what many do, you didn't finish the thought.


Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

If Joshua (the successor to Moses) had led them into the land and THAT was the rest, there wouldn't have been any mention of another time. So, there remains a rest for the people of God. The word for rest is sabbatismos (G4520) and it means, "a Sabbath keeping." This is why some versions like Wycliff in 1385, Young's Literal in 1899, or the Exegesis Companion bible in 1983 all say something like, "there remains a Sabbath keeping for the people of God." Even the Aramaic, the oldest full NT we have, says:

Heb 4:8 For if Joshua the son of Nun had given them rest, he would not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath.
Heb 4:10 For he who has entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his. (Holy Bible from the Ancient Eastern Texts: Aramaic Peshitta)

The context proves verse 9 is "sabbath" and not just 'rest' because verse 10 mentions that God RESTED when He finished His work of creation which we know was on the 7th day.

What Christians don't study, and they miss so much Charles, is the feasts. We say, "what do we care about those Jewish feasts" but that places a cloudy lens over our eyes. First of all, God said they are "my feasts" (meaning His). But second, they were designed to point to various aspects of Messiah's work. Each of the spring feasts predominately point to his first coming, and each of the fall feasts predominately point to his return. But do you know what the first set apart day is called in Lev. 23 where all the feasts are listed? The Sabbath! It is the first one listed. So what does it point to?

Simple... the 6 days in which we work, and sweat, and toil and decay are pointing to the 6000 years of decay and death from Adam to Yeshua's return. The day of rest, the 7th day, points to our rest in messiah for 1000 years. That was what verse 8 in Hebrews 4 (above) was mentioning. Joshua bringing them into the land at that time was not the rest... so there was still a time to come. The Sabbath has always been pointing, and still points, to that day. Therefore, as verse 9 says, "there remains a Sabbath for the people of God. Why? Because he that enters that rest ceases from his works just as God did His and it's still the day which points to our REAL rest. We have rest and security to a degree in Messiah today... but unless you've stopped aging, decaying, dying, unless you are no longer exposed to or tempted by sin... then we are NOT there yet.

No. On Sunday we go to church. I work Monday to Saturday as a childcare provider so I need one day of rest to do housework and go to church.

ewq1938 said:

It's still prohibited by the Sabbath rules given by God.

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That is not true. And instead of an argument, just show the commandment that says not to glean. Picking and eating is not prohibited... been doing this for 20 years now and have had this discussion 1000 times. Not one person can provide a verse that says not to pick anything on Shabbat. The best you can do is manna... but we are not receiving manna today, are we?

ewq1938 said:

It's still prohibited by the Sabbath rules given by God.

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No it's not

ewq1938 said:

Yes it is. All gathering of food is required the day before. Going out and gathering/gleaning is still work and is not allowed.

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No it isn't...they did not gather or store or cook....they ate it

ewq1938 said:

They gathered it as well...it's all work and that's not allowed. They should have gotten all their food the day before.

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No they didn't...they picked and ate.

"When thou comest into the standing grain of thy neighbor, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbor's standing grain."

ewq1938 said:

That isn't written concerning what you can do and not do on the Sabbath. On the Sabbath you cannot do any work including going out to get food.

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There is no prohibition on eating. They were not gathering it up, they were not selling it, they were not harvesting it and they were not cooking it...they were eating it.

ewq1938 said:

Yes it is. All gathering of food is required the day before. Going out and gathering/gleaning is still work and is not allowed.

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Again... you saying it carries no weight. Please show me the verse that says one can't pick a piece of fruit and eat it! Don't bother with the manna verse because that was because they were in the wilderness (we are not) where God Himself was working to make manna fall from heaven (it isn't falling today). Scripture and verse, not your opinion.

You see, the rabbi's took the manna verses and APPLIED THEM to the Sabbath in general... which is why they claimed he was breaking it. But they were breaking their interpretation... you are siding with Rabbinic Judaism here.

And... and don't forget this... if picking and eating on Sabbath is a sin, then Yeshua allowed his disciples to sin... he might have also done the same. That disqualifies him as messiah.