Work OUT Your Own Salvation

[Danoh]

2Tim 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Phi 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

2Cor 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

2Cor 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

God has placed His salvation in Christ, in us. His will, His good pleasure - what pleases Him - is that we, as members of His Son's Body, each work OUT, or manifest that salvation as adult sons in our dealings with one another, as well as with this world, that the excellency and the power of this salvation might be seen to emanate, not of us, but of Him.

We access this to the extent that we reverence Him, His Son's great sacrifice on our behalf, and His will in that.

Towards this, understanding His will is key. Meaning "let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom" Col 3:16

To the extent that we do, we obtain this salvation's intended eternal glory in the here and now.

This too, had been an important aspect of the Apostle Paul's unique edification ministry.

Danoh
Eph. 4:16

 

[By Faith Alone]

Working out salvation. Not faltering in the face of death is the subject. The wilderness wandering is an example. They were afraid to cross for fear of the giants in the land. Numbers 13:33. Paul was looking for a special resurrection as a reward for his service.

 

[By Faith Alone]

OOOpps

 

[mark273]

Work OUT is an unfortunate translation of the Greek word κατεργάζεσθε. This word in other places reflects its normal meaning "to complete, accomplish or do". I don't think that "working out something that is there" is what the word or the verse is saying based on the Greek word Paul chose to use.

 

[By Faith Alone]

Work OUT is an unfortunate translation of the Greek word κατεργάζεσθε. This word in other places reflects its normal meaning "to complete, accomplish or do". I don't think that "working out something that is there" is what the word or the verse is saying based on the Greek word Paul chose to use.

True that. A goal to be reached. Paul was looking for a reward of a special resurrection out from the dead ones. The underlying principle is to look to the Author and finisher of our faith.

Phil 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Mark. If you have the original Greek please post the translation of the underscored. Thanks.

 

[Dispy]

2Tim 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Phi 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

2Cor 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

2Cor 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

God has placed His salvation in Christ, in us. His will, His good pleasure - what pleases Him - is that we, as members of His Son's Body, each work OUT, or manifest that salvation as adult sons in our dealings with one another, as well as with this world, that the excellency and the power of this salvation might be seen to emanate, not of us, but of Him.

We access this to the extent that we reverence Him, His Son's great sacrifice on our behalf, and His will in that.

Towards this, understanding His will is key. Meaning "let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom" Col 3:16

To the extent that we do, we obtain this salvation's intended eternal glory in the here and now.

This too, had been an important aspect of the Apostle Paul's unique edification ministry.

Danoh
Eph. 4:16

We should work out our salvation in the same manner that a profitable farmer works out his land. To get out of it in a very profitable way.

 

[Danoh]

The Greek should ALWAYS take its lead from "the whole council of God" on ALL matters of faith, NOT the other way around. Without that "the Greek" becomes any man's choice of "possible" meaning.

Danoh
Eph. 4:16

 

[By Faith Alone]

Work OUT is an unfortunate translation of the Greek word κατεργάζεσθε. This word in other places reflects its normal meaning "to complete, accomplish or do". I don't think that "working out something that is there" is what the word or the verse is saying based on the Greek word Paul chose to use.

correct.

It is simply perfecting the saints as seen in Hebrews.

Heb 6:1 Therefore ...leaving ...the principles of the doctrine of Christ... let us go on....unto... perfection.... not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Coming to the end result of a full grown man. The meat of the Word having the Lord in view as Author and Finisher of our faith. What was the finish as to the earthly presence of the Lord? Death.

Paul was in a race.
Phil 3:13-14
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, (AS IN THE HEBREWS QUOTE)
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

That prize was a special out resurrection from the dead ones.

Heb 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a... better resurrection:

Heb 11:15-16
15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 But now they desire a... better country,... that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

 

[Danoh]

I'd have to differ on these things- because, dispensationally, they differ.

Hebrews deals with the Hebrews yet future resurrection into that kingdom from heaven to one day come down to this Earth: the New Jerusalem that Revelation also refers to as "a city" Rev. 19.

While, in Philippians, the mark Paul is pressing toward is living the resurrection life that Believers in this age have already been given when they are risen with Christ from His death with Him by the Spirit, Rom. 6. Paul is referring to wanting THAT resurrection to be more and more of what his life here is. It is more the sense of "in what other area of my life might I let THAT be what dominates my day to day." It is Gal. 2:20's "nevertheless, not I but Christ liveth in me."

Paul considered himself to not yet have aprehended its full potential living itself out in the life of the Believer - this glory unto glory that is the life of Christ - of Him - living HIS life in mere mortals!

Likewise with his instruction to his Philippian readers.

You don't get that from the Greek alone. And you have just proven that you don't. For you have not only brought in other passages, but passages that only appear to be speaking of the same issue, and in a similar way.

These things are understood Dispensationally. Scripture teaches to build an ark. Is that literal, physical ark building our instruction in this Dispensation, or economy? Do we go to "the Hebrew sense of that word for our understanding" or do we not also consider the economy that was commanded in, and thus, to whom?

These are all issues of differences in Dispensational IDENTITIES.

As I asked someone in conversation yesterday, who is Pre-Trib, 'ever consider that the Tribulation saints might also need instruction to them about the Cross, per THEIR Covenant, and how THEY are to "endure unto the end?"

The Hebrew resurrection from the dead is AFTER He returns to forgive them of their sins, for that is His covenant with them Matt. 19:28; Rom. 11:25-27.

Ours is now, Eph. 2; Col. 2:10-14.

Again, these things have to be studied through their body of truth, not through Greek prepositions, etc., alone.

Said body of truth is what Paul refers to as "the faith." And it differs from "the faith once delivered to the saints" that the Circumcision writers are referring to.

Danoh
Eph. 4:16

 

[mark273]

The Greek underlying the translation of the phrase "the resurrection of the dead" is τὴν ἐξανάστασιν τὴν ἐκ νεκρῶν. The translation is good and normal.

 

[Danoh]

Phrases like "that is a poor translation" or "it could have been better translated such and so" just as often betray an ignorance of the English language in use at the time of said supposed "bad translation."

Example, once, I was listening to a "Holiness" preacher attempt to expound on Romans 12: 1, 2.

Arriving at verse 2's "beseech" he relates "Now that word 'beseech' is a word we don't hear used much anymore..." At which point, he goes into "the Greek" about it all.

I'm listening to all that thinking 'its also a word in common use in the English of the sixteen hundreds, or so, when "the Greek" was translated by that word...'

At which point, said preacher, completely unaware of this simple principle massacres the passage's word "prove" that it fit his "Holiness" doctrine, and obviously, because the word "prove," despite its intended meaning way back when, "is still in use today."

To put this in what the Apostle Paul might have declared putting it "in carnal" terms, if I say to you, "work out your own frustration" am I not instructing you to bring, to find a means of bringing that OUT OF you? As, when someone is observed chopping away at logs, and someone else knowingly relates "he's working OUT his frustration" he's expressing that which is within.

Well, that is what the Believer is called to do - work OUT or manifest that salvation that God has placed in EVERY believer, His good pleasure of His will in that being that we allow ourselves to manifest this pleasure of His will that He is working in and thus, through us, "to every man's conscience in the sight of God" 2Cor. 4:2.

This is similar, at least in expression, not in content, to what the Lord, during His Earthly ministry to none "but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel" instructed by "Ye are the light of the world. A city that sits on an hill can not be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light to all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven" Matt. 15:24; 5:14-16.

Again, note that I am basing this on how that is laid out in Scripture by how IT uses ITS words.

We see this same principle of use in Romans 5 and James 1, for example - in HOW SCRIPTURE uses the word "work" in some instances, IN CONTRAST TO other instances.

Danoh
Eph. 4:16