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John 1:1-5 NIV​

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

So the Word... Logos...
My sense of this word, and please help me understand it better, is that 'Word' means the saying, message, expression and action of God.
Everything God does outwardly, every Activity of God is 'God in Action'... So Jesus is God in action.
(That's what it's saying to me at the moment)
It's kind of like Being and Doing... God the Father is the Being of God, the Existence, Awarenes, Reality... and Jesus is the Doing of God..
.. Is that anywhere near the mark?

(That would also make the Holy Spirit an aspect of Jesus, Jesus (God) active in your heart)
 

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John 1:1-5 NIV​

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

So the Word... Logos...
My sense of this word, and please help me understand it better, is that 'Word' means the saying, message, expression and action of God.
Everything God does outwardly, every Activity of God is 'God in Action'... So Jesus is God in action.
(That's what it's saying to me at the moment)
It's kind of like Being and Doing... God the Father is the Being of God, the Existence, Awarenes, Reality... and Jesus is the Doing of God..
.. Is that anywhere near the mark?

(That would also make the Holy Spirit an aspect of Jesus, Jesus (God) active in your heart)

You definitely see that correctly….

I used to read this differently (as most people do) from what I was taught. But that changed as I gained an understanding of how the Bible interprets itself…. Below is what I know of the word logos including some of the scripture and how it should be read.

I know that some people try to insert Christ into this first verse …but that is private interpretation from religious teachings… We don’t get to make up new rules and twist the mechanics of language (as I once did) to fit our beliefs.


Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


Logos
(word) has a wide range of meanings along two basic lines of thought. One is the mind and products of the mind, like reason (thus logic is related to logos) ….the other is the expression of that reason as, a word, saying, command, etc.

Logos is used in the Greek over 300X and translated over 35 different ways, including ….appearance, book, command, conversation, flattery, grievance, instruction, matter, message, ministry, proposal, question, report rumor, sentence, speaker, speaking,………… and more.

Jesus Christ it's not a lexicon definition of logos….and it does not say in the beginning was Jesus. The word (logos) is not synonymous with Jesus or even the Messiah …..The word logos in John_1:1 refers to God's creative self-expression…. his reason purpose and plan especially as they are brought into action. It refers to God's self-expression or communication of himself.


Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Jhn 1:3 All things were made by Him (God); and without Him was not any thing made that was made.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Jhn 1:4 In Him (God) was life; and the life was the light of men.

Jhn 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Jhn 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

Jhn 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light (God), that all men through him (John) might believe.

Jhn 1:8 He (John) was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light (God).

Jhn 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. ←[That’s God]


Jhn 1:10 He (God) was in the world, and the world was made by Him (God), and the world knew Him (God) not.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Jhn 1:11 He (God) came unto his own, and His own received him not. ←[His own…was Israel - Jhn 1:31]

Jhn 1:12 But as many as received Him (God), to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: (his name = name sake) … →[Now Jesus is on the scene]

Jhn 1:13 Which (Jesus) was born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Jhn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, (Jesus) and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

(and ....it continues on.………)
 
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There is some underlying context to what John is talking about in the prologue to his Gospel that is useful to unpack.

In the Hellenistic world the concept of the logos has roots in various philosophical schools of thought about the universe. Different schools of philosophy had different ideas about the logos, but a somewhat common theme is that there is a unifying cosmic reason that binds the cosmos (the order of the universe/world) together in some capacity.

The logos is the reason or internal logic of all reality, nothing exists apart from it, nothing acts independently from it. All action, all things that happen, all things that exist exist because there is a universal something, a reason, a logic, that holds it all together and makes sense of everything.

For the Stoics the logos was the closest thing they had to the concept of "God", but in a somewhat pantheistic sense, for the logos was the reason within and behind ordered reality and was, in a sense, nature itself.

When the Hellenistic world came crashing down upon the Jews with Alexander the Great's conquest, Jewish thinkers responded both in the harsh rejection of Hellenism, and also borrowing from it. Jewish thinkers, like Philo of Alexandria, attempted to synthesize ideas from the Greek world with Jewish ideas. Philo spoke about the logos in his works, Philo was a Jewish Platonist, and for Philo the logos was the mediating force between God and the universe, that God created the universe through His logos. The Aramaic word memra ("speech") is used in a number of the Targums (Aramaic translations/paraphrases of Jewish Scriptures).

So in the Greek world we have the idea of logos as the binding, uniting, universal reason that gives meaning to everything; the universal logic by which everything exists and continues to exist and without which nothing would exist or make sense.

And in the Jewish world we have the idea of logos as God's memra, God's intermediating speech, God's creative power, personified and as expression of God Himself acting, creating, working. God acts through His logos, God creates through His logos, etc.

So when we get to the Gospel of John, we have now a Christian view of the Logos, wherein the Logos is that which was in the beginning with God and is God; the Logos is God with God (somehow); and that this Logos is the creative power behind everything--all things were made by the Logos and nothing that was made can exist apart from the Logos.

The radical declaration of John is that this Logos became a human being, Jesus Christ. "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us". The Logos made His habitation in our midst as one of us.

John is pulling threads and bringing them together into a uniquely Christian view of the Logos, that it is actually Jesus who is the reason behind and for everything. Jesus is the Logos, the creative power of God, somehow God Himself but also with God, that unites, sustains, and brings about the existence of everything. Jesus is God's own Self-Expression made human, God's way of talking about Himself. So, "No one has at any time seen God, the only-begotten Son* who is in the bosom of the Father, has made Him known"

*Other manuscripts read "God" rather than "Son".

This theme is kept throughout the entirety of the Gospel of John. So when Jesus says, "If you have known Me, you have known My Father as well" or "If you have seen Me you have seen the Father also" "No one comes to the Father except by Me"

Jesus is God's Image, God's Self-Expression, God's Self-Revelation. The Father makes Himself known by His Logos, His Son, in human flesh--Jesus Christ.

We can't know God, or find God, or experience God through some other means or way. I can't climb up a mountain, or take a rocket out into space, or spend decades learning the right meditative techniques to encounter God out there or in here.

The only way I can know God is Jesus, the Logos made flesh. The Father, apart from His Son, is unknowable. God, apart from His Logos, is unknowable.

And so God can only be encountered in grace, in God-come-down. In God meeting us in lowliness, as the humble carpenter's son from Nazareth, born of a Virgin.

The Eternal Reason that binds all reality together, well He's the same who got an earful from His mom at the wedding party at Cana and turned water into wine. The Logos became flesh, God became man; the Almighty was crucified on a cross. And that's how we meet God and know God. The Lamb who takes away the sins of the world. The Victim of Golgatha's cross. And who then rose again.

The true logos is identical with the One about whom the Gospel Story is about. This Jesus of Nazareth is, in fact, the center of everything that has ever happened and will ever happen, and of everything that was, is, or will be. So that the whole universe is, in fact, oriented Christ-ward. As St. Paul will also say in his letters, that all things "were made by Him and for Him" (Colossians 1:16) and that all things, in heaven and on earth, shall be united and summed up together in Him (Ephesians 1:10).

-CryptoLutheran
 
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John 1:1-5 NIV​

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

So the Word... Logos...
My sense of this word, and please help me understand it better, is that 'Word' means the saying, message, expression and action of God.
Everything God does outwardly, every Activity of God is 'God in Action'... So Jesus is God in action.
(That's what it's saying to me at the moment)
It's kind of like Being and Doing... God the Father is the Being of God, the Existence, Awarenes, Reality... and Jesus is the Doing of God..
.. Is that anywhere near the mark?

(That would also make the Holy Spirit an aspect of Jesus, Jesus (God) active in your heart)
in Truth God and His word/son/seed are not separate ... but in this realm they be separated by perception ...
 
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