Word Movement

[IKTCA]

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[Anthony]

However, There is a common misunderstanding among Christians that CM is about tongues, demons, and faith healings. In part it is our fault. Most of our threads are about miracles. Non-CM'ers come to this section to discuss-ask about tongues, and demons. It is good to know that they regard us as "experts of tongues." But we are more "experts of the word" than "experts of demons."

There have been enough threads and discussions on miracles.

You are so on point!

It would appear that most discussions border on Christian Mysticism

 

[Andrew]

It would appear that most discussions border on Christian Mysticism

Have you come here to imply that we who post here regularly belong to some kind of "cult" bcos we talk so much about healings, faith, miracles, tongues, etc?

This forum is for charismatics who belong to the Charismatic Movt

 

[SavedByGrace3]

The main reason Charismatics seem to always be talking about "spiritual matters" is because that is what seems to be tossed up at us most of the time. People know we deal with spiritual gifts and sometimes deliverance, and they naturally are curious. They bring up the subject and we naturally respond. I think this forum is one of the few places we actually broach the subjects. In other forums, we always just seem to be responding to someone else's questions or comments.
I think Andy and Quaffer would agree that the majority of our posts deal with the Word as in Word Faith. I consider myself more Word Faith than Charismatic. There are things in Charismatic teaching and even Pentecostal (and definitely in the Prophetic) that I do not hold to simple because my WOF teaching cannot abide with it. The word is always first!!

 

[Iddie4him]

You are so on point!

It would appear that most discussions border on Christian Mysticism

Anthony,

Yes, some people may say that we do talk a little too much about the gifts of tongues, miraculous healings, discernment etc.
Some people say that we are Fanatical and on the outer fringes.
You know what ?
I agree in most cases that we are different, That is because those of us in the Charismatic movement are different. We are On fire for God and that makes us different. For the fact is that most people can't understand why we feel that these gifts are so important to us.
They are important cause they are the gifts that God gives to us to help us in our work. The work that Christ didn't get to finish cause he was nailed to the cross. This work is to go out into the world and spread his word and cast our nets and gather the harvest of new christains so that they may be touched by the spirit as we were and have the light of love and God in them.
Jesus said that He will bless us and make us fishers of men. We are his disciples, granted a diifferent generation, but we are still called to do his work.


/me puts on mod hat for a minute.

In the future, Please don't make accusations like "This borders on Christian Mysticism." These sort of comments tend to start problems.

 

[IKTCA]

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[Anthony]

Have you come here to imply that we who post here regularly belong to some kind of "cult" bcos we talk so much about healings, faith, miracles, tongues, etc?

This forum is for charismatics who belong to the Charismatic Movt

Andrew

The problems are not in the gifts nor in how the "Holy Spirit" uses them. It is when the discussion seems to center on having "some special skill or worse power" rather than giving God the praise and glory. Gifts serve God not us, they are a gift for God purposes not for our. Don't get me wrong many of the post mention giving glory to God, but it is usually secondary.

 

[Lee]

Charismatic Movement (CM) is the outcome of our obedience to God's word. Therefore, CM is truly the Word Movement. Our love for the Word is beyond description. We always study the word and yearn to obey the word. The Holy Spirit helps us through wonders and miracles so that we can glorify our Father.

Exactly. That is the point.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

So Anthony, why don't you lead the way and show us poor imbiciles how it's supposed to happen?

Why must we constantly defend ourselves? When we give glory to God, we're screamed at about the "style". When we defend the style and try to give detail and understanding, we're told we're not giving enough glory to God.

Good grief, we can't seem to say anything that is balanced enough in some peoples eyes. Do you have a score pad where you keep track so as to show us who and how frequently one gives glory to God 1st, and 2nd, and 3rd, and 4th. I'm tired of having to defend what God is doing in my heart.

This forum is for those who want to discuss these issues, and so they may do it without being harrassed. Would you please pay us THAT respect.

 

[victoryword]

So Anthony, why don't you lead the way and show us poor imbiciles how it's supposed to happen?

Why must we constantly defend ourselves? When we give glory to God, we're screamed at about the "style". When we defend the style and try to give detail and understanding, we're told we're not giving enough glory to God.

Good grief, we can't seem to say anything that is balanced enough in some peoples eyes. Do you have a score pad where you keep track so as to show us who and how frequently one gives glory to God 1st, and 2nd, and 3rd, and 4th. I'm tired of having to defend what God is doing in my heart.

This forum is for those who want to discuss these issues, and so they may do it without being harrassed. Would you please pay us THAT respect.

AMEN!!!!

There seems to be no satisfying our critics, not that I try. But gee whiz, you would wonder why we cannot seem to ever do anything right in their perspective.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Some people say that we are Fanatical and on the outer fringes.
You know what ?
I agree in most cases that we are different, That is because those of us in the Charismatic movement are different. We are On fire for God and that makes us different. For the fact is that most people can't understand why we feel that these gifts are so important to us.

Well praise God!!!! It is nice to be on a site where Charismatics are allowed to discuss what they believe!!! I just came from a site that I was on for over 5 months. We Charismatics were bashed by the posters, and the moderators as well, and labled as heretics. I felt the enemy of my soul on there in an overwhelming way, so I had to leave. God Bless You All. Karla

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Well praise God!!!! It is nice to be on a site where Charismatics are allowed to discuss what they believe!!! I just came from a site that I was on for over 5 months. We Charismatics were bashed by the posters, and the moderators as well, and labled as heretics. I felt the enemy of my soul on there in an overwhelming way, so I had to leave. God Bless You All. Karla

Welcome Karla,

Unfortionately, you will find some of that everywhere. Hence the Charasmatic forum here.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Welcome Karla,

Unfortionately, you will find some of that everywhere. Hence the Charasmatic forum here.

Thanks for the posting tip Quaffer. Yes, it is true that every forum that I have been on has had it's problems with differences of opinion. I feel more comfortable so far on this one, because of the way it is set up for the varying degree of different beliefs. The last one that I was on, anyone could post to any topic, Christian or not, and the war was on, , lol. Thanks again.

 

[Anthony]

So Anthony, why don't you lead the way and show us poor imbiciles how it's supposed to happen?

Poor imbiciles how it's supposed to happen
How is what supposed to happen.

I realize my comments have struck a cord, a cord for discussion not for debate, but rather for streching our beliefs and to make sure we do not go beyond what is written.

The comments I brought; is one that crosses all christians sects, groups, labels and denominations, not just CM's. The point is we can all get drawn into the magnificence and magic of the gifts, and become preoccupied with gifts rather than the gift giver and His purpose of the gifts. A preoccupation with the List of Gifts which one's to you have, which one's would you like to have etc. etc.

Tongues is just one gift, but unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. There are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. If, I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me. We are to be using our gifts for the common good; for the community of believers.


1CO 12:7
Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good

Why must we constantly defend ourselves? When we give glory to God, we're screamed at about the "style". When we defend the style and try to give detail and understanding, we're told we're not giving enough glory to God.

I don't have a problem with "style", what ever you feel the Lord moves you to do. I think a lot of that is just jealousy of some who can't be spontaneous in their actions when they give praise to God.

 

[Grace_Alone4gives]

Well , it didn't take long for this thread to get torn apart. I wish I posted earlier.

To Anthony and the OP(sp?), I appreciate and agree with your posts.

Welcome to 'By His Grace'.

Victoria

 

[Lee]

Well praise God!!!! It is nice to be on a site where Charismatics are allowed to discuss what they believe!!! I just came from a site that I was on for over 5 months. We Charismatics were bashed by the posters, and the moderators as well, and labled as heretics. I felt the enemy of my soul on there in an overwhelming way, so I had to leave. God Bless You All. Karla

Glad you can join us.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

I will go first. Please do not pick apart my post since I may get discouraged and leave CM. It is a plea, not a threat.

It was quite a while after the routine of daily devotion settled. I started to wonder why I could not receive 1 week's worth of grace at one time or even 2 days' need of grace.

I pray in the morning. By noon I find the infilling of my soul has disappeared. I do lunch time devotion. My heart fills again with thanksgiving. But again by evening, it is gone. I have to start fresh in evening devotion.

Infilling of my soul came from above. The grace that my Lord placed in my heart came from his throne. Then it must be eternal. Why then can I not keep it even for a few hours? There must be a hole in my soul. I must be spilling Jesus' grace all the time.

I started to examine myself but could not find a major hole. I asked the Lord to show me where I was wrong. Many days later, I remembered the story of manna. Then I learned.

[Some left it until morning, and it bred worms and became foul.] (Exodus 16:20)

Manna did not grow from the earth. It came from above. Paul also testified that it was spiritual in origin:

[all ate the spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink] (1 Cor 10:3-4)

Manna was heavenly. But when it was put in the corruptible place (the earth), it did not last more than 1 day.

The infilling is heavenly. But when it is put in my corruptible body, it lasts only so long.

[for this corruptible must put on incorruption] (1 cor 15:53)

Then I realized it was not just me. All flesh must receive daily grace. No flesh can store 2 days' need of grace.

I have two children. Both are about 20. When they were younger, they needed a constant care. Still, once fed in the morning, we used to have some time free until lunch. But Father does not have free time with me. He has to feed me constantly. The spiritual food he gives does not last even a few hours in my body.

In my mother tongue, "a child that takes many hands" is a child who needs an extraordinary care of parents.

My Father has truly "a child that takes many hands" with me. But he does not mind taking care of me. It actually pleases him to feed me. The only problem is that sometimes I refuse to be fed.

Father, you are truly a God of grace. All your children must be fed so often. But you never reject even the smallest of us. To your love, I bow and weep. Amen.

It was quite a while after the routine of daily devotion settled. I started to wonder why I could not receive 1 week's worth of grace at one time or even 2 days' need of grace.

I pray in the morning. By noon I find the infilling of my soul has disappeared. I do lunch time devotion. My heart fills again with thanksgiving. But again by evening, it is gone. I have to start fresh in evening devotion.

Infilling of my soul came from above. The grace that my Lord placed in my heart came from his throne. Then it must be eternal. Why then can I not keep it even for a few hours? There must be a hole in my soul. I must be spilling Jesus' grace all the time

ikta. You sound like the way that I was, before I was baptised with the Holy Spirit. Before I was infilled with the Holy Spirit, my walk with the Lord was cold and dry most of the time. Jesus became more real to me then before, and His presence was felt in my life in a new way. That's not to say that my life has been all constant happiness and joy all of the time, but we who are Spiritfilled, can go back as many times as we need to for a fresh infilling of the Holy Spirit. I have been infilled 3-4 times, and about in need to ask for another dose. This is what the bible is talking about in Luke 5:37-38. We need the New Wine put in new bottles, otherwise they will burst.
I really feel reading your post, like I was reading the book of Lamentations. I feel your love for God, but the joy is missing. Blessings, Karla

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

The thing is Anthony there are other subjects started on this forum but the only thing that some people want to discuss is what they disagree with.

What about the Party Thread, and the Testimony thread? How about the thread where someone asked for advise on how to grow in their walk with God? What about the thread where it's just a fun "get ta know ya"? Then there's the one that asked for sharing of how one came to know the Lord. What about those threads Anthony, why do they get buried under all the one's where there's only arguing of the gift's, or of prosperity, or of being poor. Why are the one's who raise all the fuss about these things being the only thing we talk about strangely "missing in action" in those threads?

Also, there is a lot of new people that come in. They don't know about some of these things. Some things they've only heard about, so the question is asked. That's just the way it is with some things. Ya know, this IS the Charasmatic forum. . . it's going to draw people who want to know what Charasmatic means. Why, how, and where Charasmatics are different from other believers. We are not all that different in any other areas.

So while maybe with some there is too much concentration on some things I am learning to give grace. I have known the Lord most of my life and the gifts are something that God has given us for His pleasure. The gifts are given so that He can move through us to a lost and dying world. The only way that people are drawn to Him is by the Spirit drawing. However, if we do not know how to allow the Spirit to draw through us, then we end up turning more people away from God than towards Him.

We grow in the giftings as we grow towards God. We mature in the giftings as we mature towards God. Ministering to God, in my opinion, is our main goal. Then out of that relationship He can flow freely and use us in ways that we never thought He could. We are vessels in His hand. We operate only because He chooses to use us. We can do nothing in and of ourselves. We must depend solely on Him.