I'd argue it's because sexuality is more than just what visuals arouses you. Granted, it's a good indicator, but it's not the end all and be all of sexuality. There's just other emotional components to it.But my point is if our sexual orientation is determined by our brains, they why do lesbians seem partly aroused by men, or straight women aroused by other women?
if homosexuality is not totally determined by our brains (whatever that is supposed to mean) then that would mean that we ARE able to to choose our orientation. Since homosexuality is not genetically "determined" (in the sense that there is no such thing as a "gay gene") then homosexuals do in fact choose their orientation, though their reasons for doing so may be and is a whole complex set of reasons which may include some biological issues alongside of environmental factors. As Romans 1 indicates, this is the case.
In the end, whatever their reasons are for doing so, none of those reasons justify the behavior as morally neutral or morally approvable. In other words, homosexuality is sin, and practicing homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God per 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (ESV) 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." Homosexuality is no "worse" than any other sin, but, it is no better either. Its on the same ground as the other sins listed, so this is not about bashing homosexuals, its simply about being honest about what the Scripture states concerning those who persist in unrepentant sins.
In any case, studies have also shown that homosexual men can be conditioned to not be aroused by images of men. All they have to have is a strong desire to change their behavior/orientation, be willing to do whatever it takes to stop engaging in homosexual activities, and they can change. Regardless, just because a man is aroused by images of other men, this does not in and of itself indicate anything about the morality of the arousal. As someone well said, I suppose a person can be aroused by the picture of a dog, and no doubt pedophiles are aroused by the pictures of children, but in either case, their arousal itself is no indicator of the moral nature of that arousal. All it indicates is the depth of mankind's depravity, which is total. (that one was for you polycarp)
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Long story short:
What do you think of this research? I'd like to hear from a few gay users too, religious or not. However I should also mention that they also studied post-op male-to-female transsexuals (which I think screws up the research a little).
- Straight men are aroused by images of women. No suprises there.
- Gay men are aroused by images of men. Again, no surprises there.
- Lesbians are aroused by images of both men AND women.
- Straight women are also aroused by images of both men AND women.
P.S. I remember hearing this - as a joke - in an episode of Family Guy:
Female Character: "You're chosing not to be a lesbian?"
Meg: "I thought being gay wasn't a choice?"
Female Character: "For men it's not."
BlackSabb said:This is simplistic male stereotyping that we somehow have no control over our desires at the sight of a pretty woman. I've met many that I'd have nothing to do with.
BeachedEinstein said:And all the stuff about gay-conversion does not work. Sure, you can tell gay people what to do, and with enough guilt and pressure, people will do anything, but that doesn't change who they are.
BeachedEinstein said:"...prove that change is possible..."
Tell that to the gay teens who commit suicide.
I want to see other peer studies about this, and hear it from women themselves.
I don't think that women "choose" to be lesbian or straight if they are aroused by both men and women. They are bisexual. They can certainly choose to date only men or only women, but that doesn't make them straight, or lesbian. That makes them bisexual still.
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Nooj said:And?notedstrangeperson said:Paedophiles have committed suicide because they were ashamed of their sexuality too.
Keith99 said:First thing I though when I saw the OP was I did no ttrust a study that forced everyone into the groups gay and straight.
Yeah, I understand what you mean...I just don't understand why you said it. Does it matter that pedophiles may have no choice in who they are sexually attracted to?The idea was that if homosexuality was a 'choice' or curable, why would they put themselves through so much grief and hardship? Arguably the same goes for paedophiles.
The idea was that if homosexuality was a 'choice' or curable, why would they put themselves through so much grief and hardship? Arguably the same goes for paedophiles.
Well how else could they study the differences between gay and straight people?
nooj said:Yeah, I understand what you mean...I just don't understand why you said it. Does it matter that pedophiles may have no choice in who they are sexually attracted to?
MLing said:People *don't* naturally fit into those two categories, so any study that starts from that premise is going to be flawed. It would be like trying to study the differences between white people and black people. I'm clearly white. My friend's father is clearly black....but he married a white woman, so what's my friend?
Muhammad bloody Prophet...Well yes. One of the reasons being gay was accepted was that they supposedly had no choice in the matter. According to that logic, paedophilia should also be acceptable.
Well yes. One of the reasons being gay was accepted was that they supposedly had no choice in the matter. According to that logic, paedophilia should also be acceptable.
The title was mainly to grab your attention.
I have found some rather interesting research on arousal between the sexes:
Study Suggests Difference Between Female And Male Sexuality
Long story short:
What do you think of this research? I'd like to hear from a few gay users too, religious or not. However I should also mention that they also studied post-op male-to-female transsexuals (which I think screws up the research a little).
- Straight men are aroused by images of women. No suprises there.
- Gay men are aroused by images of men. Again, no surprises there.
- Lesbians are aroused by images of both men AND women.
- Straight women are also aroused by images of both men AND women.
P.S. I remember hearing this - as a joke - in an episode of Family Guy:
Female Character: "You're chosing not to be a lesbian?"
Meg: "I thought being gay wasn't a choice?"
Female Character: "For men it's not."
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