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Woke is Marxism Evolved to Take on the West
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<blockquote data-quote="Bradskii" data-source="post: 77257147" data-attributes="member: 412388"><p>There are two aspects to this. One you've talked about - and I'll come back to that shortly. The other? You are either ignoring it or, less likely, you don't understand what I've been talking about. So I want you to consider these two conversations:</p><p></p><p>'Dad, we need to talk. I'm...actually gay'.</p><p>'Oh my...that must have been so difficult for you to tell me. Look, whatever happens from this point on, you have to know that your mother and I love you dearly and we'll always be there for you whatever happens. You know how strong my faith is and you know that God considers homosexuality to be a sin. But look, we all sin. I'm no different. So we are all in danger of not achieving eternal life. Especially me for all the wrong things I have done in my life. So I'm obviously concerned for you in that regard. I always have been. But we'll talk this through. And whatever happens, whatever you eventually choose, your mother and I will always be there for you'</p><p></p><p>OR</p><p></p><p>'Dad, we need to talk. I'm...actually gay'.</p><p>'You're homosexual? Well, let me tell you that the bible says that you deserve death! Romans 1:32. And let me tell you, I fully support scripture. So, do you have a problem with that?'</p><p></p><p>Now let's be honest at this point. Which of those would you say is the more Christian response? Which do you think would get a thumbs up from Jesus? They're both saying pretty much the same thing. That God thinks that some sins, if the sinner does not repent, will not lead to everlasting life. But which one of them is showing concern? Which one is showing love? Which father would you rather be?</p><p></p><p>The post we are discussing bore no resemblance whatsoever to the first. None at all. And was very much aligned with the second. Only much later, when it was called out, did we get some context thrown in, some comments to the effect that hey, it's not <em>me </em>saying that, it's God, and <em>I'm</em> a sinner as well, and it's <em>other </em>sins as well (see post above for another late example of that) and Islam does the same and gee, all you have to <em>do </em>is repent...</p><p></p><p>Me? I don't agree with the first father, but I'd support him as much as he would be supporting his daughter. The other guy? I wouldn't give him the time of day. But I'd reach out to his daughter.</p><p></p><p>The other point is that, however sick and tired you are of hearing this, I determine what is allowed by asking if harm is caused. It really is that simple. So do gay relationships cause harm? Well, no more (and much less) then straight relationships do. Does a 'gay lifestyle' cause harm? Well, assuming you might mean multiple sexual partners then it would. But no more (and a lot less) than those who are straight and have similar lifestyles. There are some gay couples I know whose relationship has been solid for literally decades. And some straight marriages that have ended soon after they started.</p><p></p><p>The advice I gave my kids as they were growing up was to treat others with respect. Don't drink too much. Stay clear of hard drugs. Don't sleep around. Take precautions. In short, don't do anything stupid. Don't cause harm to yourself and certainly not to others. They did OK. Both now in long term partnerships with kids of their own. Now you don't know if either of them are gay. If you met them then I'm pretty certain that you'd think that they were really good people. Would you personally change your mind in that regard if one of them happened to be gay? Would you then say 'Hey, you have succumbed to the demonic influence of the lbgt agenda! You are living like barnyard animals!'</p><p></p><p>Really? Gimme a break...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bradskii, post: 77257147, member: 412388"] There are two aspects to this. One you've talked about - and I'll come back to that shortly. The other? You are either ignoring it or, less likely, you don't understand what I've been talking about. So I want you to consider these two conversations: 'Dad, we need to talk. I'm...actually gay'. 'Oh my...that must have been so difficult for you to tell me. Look, whatever happens from this point on, you have to know that your mother and I love you dearly and we'll always be there for you whatever happens. You know how strong my faith is and you know that God considers homosexuality to be a sin. But look, we all sin. I'm no different. So we are all in danger of not achieving eternal life. Especially me for all the wrong things I have done in my life. So I'm obviously concerned for you in that regard. I always have been. But we'll talk this through. And whatever happens, whatever you eventually choose, your mother and I will always be there for you' OR 'Dad, we need to talk. I'm...actually gay'. 'You're homosexual? Well, let me tell you that the bible says that you deserve death! Romans 1:32. And let me tell you, I fully support scripture. So, do you have a problem with that?' Now let's be honest at this point. Which of those would you say is the more Christian response? Which do you think would get a thumbs up from Jesus? They're both saying pretty much the same thing. That God thinks that some sins, if the sinner does not repent, will not lead to everlasting life. But which one of them is showing concern? Which one is showing love? Which father would you rather be? The post we are discussing bore no resemblance whatsoever to the first. None at all. And was very much aligned with the second. Only much later, when it was called out, did we get some context thrown in, some comments to the effect that hey, it's not [I]me [/I]saying that, it's God, and [I]I'm[/I] a sinner as well, and it's [I]other [/I]sins as well (see post above for another late example of that) and Islam does the same and gee, all you have to [I]do [/I]is repent... Me? I don't agree with the first father, but I'd support him as much as he would be supporting his daughter. The other guy? I wouldn't give him the time of day. But I'd reach out to his daughter. The other point is that, however sick and tired you are of hearing this, I determine what is allowed by asking if harm is caused. It really is that simple. So do gay relationships cause harm? Well, no more (and much less) then straight relationships do. Does a 'gay lifestyle' cause harm? Well, assuming you might mean multiple sexual partners then it would. But no more (and a lot less) than those who are straight and have similar lifestyles. There are some gay couples I know whose relationship has been solid for literally decades. And some straight marriages that have ended soon after they started. The advice I gave my kids as they were growing up was to treat others with respect. Don't drink too much. Stay clear of hard drugs. Don't sleep around. Take precautions. In short, don't do anything stupid. Don't cause harm to yourself and certainly not to others. They did OK. Both now in long term partnerships with kids of their own. Now you don't know if either of them are gay. If you met them then I'm pretty certain that you'd think that they were really good people. Would you personally change your mind in that regard if one of them happened to be gay? Would you then say 'Hey, you have succumbed to the demonic influence of the lbgt agenda! You are living like barnyard animals!' Really? Gimme a break... [/QUOTE]
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