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Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands?

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Ephesians 5:22-25
Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her...

The following video of a street preacher reminded me of that Bible passage. The comments for that video seem to be overwhelmingly supporting the preacher. (so far I haven't found any negative comments)


3:09
"Are you a disobedient wife?"
"All the time and I love her for it."
"You know why - because you're not the man of the house - that's the problem - you know what happens - the devil attacks the man - he weakens the man and he strengthens the feminist woman so she has a big mouth and she has no submission, no submission"

6:36 "control your woman man - she's out of control"
6:52 "fix your stupid woman man she's being stupid"

I was wondering what Christians think about that passage being used to encourage men to have more power in a marriage...
 
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BTW I was wondering if a man would like his wife to lose some weight what is the best approach to say this? I've said things like that to my Christian wife. One time she said I'm being controlling and I just agreed.
 
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BTW I was wondering if a man would like his wife to lose some weight what is the best approach to say this? I've said things like that to my Christian wife. One time she said I'm being controlling and I just agreed.

Your approach hinges on two factors. Does she respect you and have a teachable spirit? If you’re fortunate to have both qualities in tow it will be easier. It is your responsibility and hers as a spouse to address problems you observe in one another lovingly. I don’t believe anything is off limits. While you may elect to put it on the back burner or ignore it altogether you have a right to discuss your concerns nonetheless.

We are expected to honor our temples and you shouldn’t support its abuse in yourself or her. I would start with a physical to rule out any maladies that may be contributing to her weight. It puts the subject in the right framework and provides medical confirmation. I would inquire what’s a healthy weight for her stature within acceptable guidelines. Don’t allow yourself to be swayed towards a number that is clinically overweight or worse. It’s hogwash.

You have to factor in her personality and weaknesses. Some are more sensitive about the subject than others. Some are more controlled diet wise and others aren’t. You need to be cognizant of what she’s eating and the portions she serves herself. Activity is the other prong. How often does she move? Are you willing to invest in equipment or gym membership? And what level of involvement are you prepared to have if any? You need to decide that before you talk.

Weight is a mental affliction. Food is merely the mechanism for excess. The decision occurs within and you’ll need to understand what’s driving the behavior and its continuance. No one looks in the mirror and is oblivious to what they see. Barring certain disorders of course. What you need to understand is why she permits it. No one wants to be fat and we’re increasingly image conscious as a society. She’s confronting her state continually but what’s the trigger? What‘s the bottom she has to reach to say enough? For many it’s a health crisis and that’s the result you want to avoid.

Before you encourage her to address the problem you need to know why it’s there. You may want to open the discussion about her beginning to determine when the weight crept on. Did she experience something painful? Was it a coping mechanism and so on? Ask her how she felt and if she’s tried to change it. If she says she has, ask what happened and what she’d do differently. Ask her what she struggles with as well. Does she have a sweet tooth? Prone to binges? Frequently overeats and so on.

The best thing you can do while she talks is listen and show your support. It isn’t difficult to lose weight once you’ve decided. It’s hard when you’re married to your belly. That’s the secret of staying thin. She’ll need a support network as well. Talking to others working towards the same can be helpful. Especially if she has a lot to lose. A nutritionist helps and gives more accountability. You may want to get her a smartwatch or fitbit to track her activity. This is a popular christian author who’s written a lot of books on the subject. She offers classes as well.

When it comes to her diet you’ll need to be aware of the things coming into your home. Don’t allow her to stock up on chips and snacks or soda. If you partake do it outside of her presence. The more she relinquishes junk and processed foods the more she’ll lose. And don’t forget about prayer. Pray for her health and the Lord’s conviction on the subject and stand against the spirit of gluttony when you do. Don’t allow her to put you off. She’s only delaying the problem and making it harder down the road.

No one addresses the realities of being overweight when you’re older and the difficulties others have if you’re injured. My aunt and uncle were visiting for the holidays a few years ago. She fell in the house and had to remain on the floor until her husband returned because her sisters couldn’t pick her up. There’s a point in our lives when we may require assistance with daily living. To accommodate that season we put things in order beforehand to make it easier for others.

It can seem daunting at first but adopting a healthy lifestyle in your home is the best approach and most likely to succeed. Which may require changes from you as well. If you do it together she may stay the course.

~bella
 
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Ephesians 5:22-25


The following video of a street preacher reminded me of that Bible passage. The comments for that video seem to be overwhelmingly supporting the preacher. (so far I haven't found any negative comments)




I was wondering what Christians think about that passage being used to encourage men to have more power in a marriage...

.... those uppity Ephesian women! Man, they must have been sum'n else back in the day!

I guess we need to learn to apply anthropological, archeological, historical and hermeneutical principles to our reading of Ephesians so we can better understand the sort of society the Ephesians were situated within and the social and spiritual problems St. Paul had to address.
 
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Ephesians 5:22-25


The following video of a street preacher reminded me of that Bible passage. The comments for that video seem to be overwhelmingly supporting the preacher. (so far I haven't found any negative comments)




I was wondering what Christians think about that passage being used to encourage men to have more power in a marriage...
When this subject comes up, which often it does, the focus is always on "wives submitting to their husbands. In reality it is a mutual submission.

"Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ."

The command is just as stringent for men as it is for women. One just needs to read entire passages.

Blessings
 
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I have been married for over 35 years, and it has been both wonderful and difficult. A man must have dominion over his wife with a kind and gentle hand. Neither the wife nor the husband should be overly submissive or weak. Often over submission is laziness. The weak person wants to put all of the responsibility on the other. The Mormons have a good idea (even if I don’t agree with many of their doctrines); the man is the priest of the family. If the husband and wife have equal wisdom and fortitude, the partnership rarely descends to “I am the boss, and you must do what I say.” The final decision might fall to the husband, but it should be with love and understanding. One should always consider how the decision affects the other. Selfishness is the biggest cause of conflict. A good wife should not be afraid to tell her husband that she thinks he is making a mistake or doing something wrong. A good husband should respect his wife and carefully consider her needs and ideas.
 
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When this subject comes up, which often it does, the focus is always on "wives submitting to their husbands. In reality it is a mutual submission.

"Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ."

The command is just as stringent for men as it is for women. One just needs to read entire passages.

Blessings
I am happily single, but a technical note - the passage is not "Wives, submit to your husbands, husbands, submit to your wives" - this would be mutual.

"Submit to one another" in the text is probably about the church, not about the social specifics Paul later listed (wives to husbands,slaves to masters, children to parents). If you read it mutually, you would also end up with parents obeying their children, for example.
 
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I am happily single, but a technical note - the passage is not "Wives, submit to your husbands, husbands, submit to your wives" - this would be mutual.

"Submit to one another" in the text is probably about the church, not about the social specifics Paul later listed (wives to husbands,slaves to masters, children to parents). If you read it mutually, you would also end up with parents submitting to children, for example.

Paul explains the principle elsewhere when he addresses the head. Some people are unable to accept the teaching due to ignorance or a rebellious spirit. They don’t see the dignity of the covering or its purpose.

~bella
 
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Ephesians 5:22-25


The following video of a street preacher reminded me of that Bible passage. The comments for that video seem to be overwhelmingly supporting the preacher. (so far I haven't found any negative comments)




I was wondering what Christians think about that passage being used to encourage men to have more power in a marriage...
Not a great example of a street preacher. Everyone is wrong in that video, it saddens me and now I'm judgy (hope it's discernment instead).

I think the verses in Ephesians are beautiful. Men are to emulate Jesus, the Servant King. Man is to look after his wife, build her up in the word, love her as he loves himself. Women to submit to their husband.

The trouble is when emphasis is placed solely on submission and used to facilitate abuse and control. (I think abusers like to latch on the those verses despite the verses being good in themselves). Yet, we must not forget all are to submit to authority. Men included. First and foremost to God but also to different authorities God has placed over us. Likewise our children need to submit. It's in submission we display obedience and we ought to live obediently to His Spirit in our daily life.
 
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The Mormons have a good idea (even if I don’t agree with many of their doctrines); the man is the priest of the family.

The principle is taught in some circles and I’ve heard it. The Mormon conception of submission is far reaching and I’ve known my share. It’s real obeisance and they don’t have the liberty a christian would have. Whether he’s right or wrong they’re expected to follow. He’s the law in the home.

Nevertheless, there are things one can glean in healthy connections. One of my favorite YouTubers is Mormon and the way they conduct themselves as a couple and parents is genuinely honorable and their children are well mannered. They have a homestead and everyone pitches in. Her husband cooks and does all the DIY projects and helps with the garden too. The kids have chores of course and make dinner twice per week and they homeschool.

I like watching them interact. You can learn a lot about a person through their partner and both chose well. When I look at them I see oneness and a complement.

~bella
 
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I am happily single, but a technical note - the passage is not "Wives, submit to your husbands, husbands, submit to your wives" - this would be mutual.

"Submit to one another" in the text is probably about the church, not about the social specifics Paul later listed (wives to husbands,slaves to masters, children to parents). If you read it mutually, you would also end up with parents obeying their children, for example.
This is a good read to consider but I understand it is not a popular view that husbands and wives submit to one another.

"Ephesians 5:21, when Paul says "submit to one another out of reverence for Christ," the Greek word used for "submit" is hypotassō (ὑποτάσσω). While it often implies a relationship of subordination or being placed under an authority, in this context, coupled with "to one another" (ἀλλήλοις - allēlois, a reciprocal pronoun), it conveys the idea of mutual submission.
The meaning of "submit" (hypotassō) does not suddenly change in Ephesians 5:22, but rather the application of the principle becomes specific. In the following verse, " (hypotassō) is not explicitly repeated in Ephesians 5:22. Instead, the instruction to wives ("Wives, to your own husbands, as to the Lord") is grammatically dependent on the participle "submitting yourselves" from verse 5:21 ("submitting yourselves to one another out of reverence for Christ"). This suggests a direct continuation of the thought. Paul is moving from a general principle to specific applications."
 
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The principle is taught in some circles and I’ve heard it. The Mormon conception of submission is far reaching and I’ve known my share. It’s real obeisance and they don’t have the liberty a christian would have. Whether he’s right or wrong they’re expected to follow. He’s the law in the home.

Nevertheless, there are things one can glean in healthy connections. One of my favorite YouTubers is Mormon and the way they conduct themselves as a couple and parents is genuinely honorable and their children are well mannered. They have a homestead and everyone pitches in. Her husband cooks and does all the DIY projects and helps with the garden too. The kids have chores of course and make dinner twice per week and they homeschool.

I like watching them interact. You can learn a lot about a person through their partner and both chose well. When I look at them I see oneness and a complement.

~bella
I didn’t really know how far Mormons take the idea. It is just that being a priest for the family focuses on the spiritual well-being. I’m sure it can be misused. I always see Christ as our High Priest, and I like the image of the husband and father being like Christ. He gave His life for us.
 
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I didn’t really know how far Mormons take the idea. It is just that being a priest for the family focuses on the spiritual well-being. I’m sure it can be misused. I always see Christ as our High Priest, and I like the image of the husband and father being like Christ. He gave His life for us.

You can function in that role as a husband and father. I consider it part of his duties to both. As for the Mormons, here’s a short piece on it. This is one concerning women and the priesthood.

~bella
 
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She‘s the embodiment of the contentious woman the bible speaks of and everything a man should avoid.

~bella

Yes.......................... ! ^_^
 
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You can function in that role as a husband and father. I consider it part of his duties to both. As for the Mormons, here’s a short piece on it. This is one concerning women and the priesthood.

~bella
Thank you very much for the link. It is very interesting. My point was not to actually support Mormon doctrine. I just thought that “priest” was more instructive than “boss” or “head of the household,” because it points to the emphasis on positive function rather than authority. Obviously, authority is part of it, but care and concern for better spiritual life seems highlighted. I just thought that it was a better image than “boss.” If a husband has authority over his wife, the focus must be on what is spiritually best for her, rather than an exercise of authority. It makes it clear that the question of “What is best for my wife and family?” is greater than “What is best for me?” I’m sorry that I didn’t make that clearer. (edit: spelling correction)
 
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Thank you very much for the link. It is very interesting. My point was not to actually support Mormon doctrine. I just thought that “priest” was more instructive than “boss” or “head of the household,” because it points to the emphasis on positive function rather than authority.

I understood what you meant and knew it wasn’t your intention. I posted the links for clarity on your behalf and others. As I noted in my response there are things we can glean if desired. While I don’t follow their teachings a lot of content being made for women is produced by them. Whether the viewer is aware or not. Homemaking, cooking, gardening, etc.

~bella
 
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I understood what you meant and knew it wasn’t your intention. I posted the links for clarity on your behalf and others. As I noted in my response there are things we can glean if desired. While I don’t follow their teachings a lot of content being made for women is produced by them. Whether the viewer is aware or not. Homemaking, cooking, gardening, etc.

~bella
The division of tasks in the home is something I think should be left to individual families. In my home, I begin whatever prayers happen at certain times, but I have no problem with my wife adding as much as she wants. If I enjoyed cooking and was good at it, I would do the cooking, but my wife is better and enjoys it. We share house keeping, but I do the majority of farm work. She is better at banking and bill paying. The division was divided mutually. We all have to do things that are not pleasant, but the focus is on getting things done rather that authority and hierarchy.
 
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The following video of a street preacher reminded me of that Bible passage. The comments for that video seem to be overwhelmingly supporting the preacher. (so far I haven't found any negative comments)

I was wondering what Christians think about that passage being used to encourage men to have more power in a marriage...
Are you a Christian ?
What do you think of obeying scripture ?
 
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The division of tasks in the home is something I think should be left to individual families. In my home, I begin whatever prayers happen at certain times, but I have no problem with my wife adding as much as she wants. If I enjoyed cooking and was good at it, I would do the cooking, but my wife is better and enjoys it. We share house keeping, but I do the majority of farm work. She is better at banking and bill paying. The division was divided mutually. We all have to do things that are not pleasant, but the focus is on getting things done rather that authority and hierarchy.

They don’t discuss things like that as I demonstrated earlier with the family I mentioned. Each person shares their life or may teach a recipe or skill that would be helpful to interested parties. What you’re suggesting usually occurs on christian channels which often results in positive and negative feedback. Most of the anti tradwife furor is because of believers.

~bella
 
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