Without goading, it's now 2022. What timetables proved incorrect?

Douggg · Feb 12, 2022

myst33 said:
Eschatology does not equal to "accepting futurism".

The definitions used for this forum can be found at this link.

Statement of Purpose - Eschatology Forum Statement of Purpose

Only a minority of Christians are futurists or dispensationalists

I don't know the what the numbers are percentage wise. And since you did not say, I don't think you know the percentage either.

Anyway there is no mandatory requirement that a person be a futurist for this forum. Nor a non-futurist.

Douggg · Feb 12, 2022

Hazelelponi said:
I'm just wondering why you decided the question in the OP gave you the right to make dozens of off-topic posts preaching your version of the end times?

I mean seriously. Every post you made is off topic because it doesn't address the OP.

I have been responding to posts made to me by others.

eclipsenow · Feb 12, 2022

Douggg said:
You should preface your hypothetical with "if the Lord is willing". As to your hypothetical - it's not going to happen.

My hypothetical isn't going to happen because you drew up one of these?

Hazelelponi · Feb 12, 2022

Douggg said:
I have been responding to posts made to me by others.

Which wouldn't have occurred had you responded to the OP to begin with.

I for one opened the thread because I was interested in the topic. Had I wanted a monologue of your personal views I would have sought out your personal blog.

Now, you have single handedly ruined the thread, because there's zero discussion of the topic.

Douggg · Feb 12, 2022

Hazelelponi said:
Which wouldn't have occurred had you responded to the OP to begin with.

I did. Look at my first post in this thread #5. I responded to the OP.

Hazelelponi said:
I for one opened the thread because I was interested in the topic. Had I wanted a monologue of your personal views I would have sought out your personal blog.

I think the real issue is that you disagree with my responses to the other posters.

You have yet to make your own response to the opening post. Why don't you just do so? Create a list of JW's failed time tables, Seventh Day Adventist failed time tables, Edgar C. Whisenant failed time tables, Brenda Weltner failed time tables on You Tube... etc.

I made my contribution in response to the opening post already in my post #5.

Hazelelponi said:
Now, you have single handedly ruined the thread, because there's zero discussion of the topic.

You are saying that when you haven't even made your own post addressing the opening post?

Douggg · Feb 12, 2022

eclipsenow said:
My hypothetical isn't going to happen because you drew up one of these?
View attachment 312577

No, that is non-futurist chart.

eclipsenow · Feb 12, 2022

Douggg said:
No, that is non-futurist chart.

Ha ha ha - you think?
It's from Sherlock Holmes.
I repeatedly link to it because it's how Amils see futurists desperately crawling through the bible, plucking things out of context, and FORCING them into some sort of timeline of the future. The whole exercise reminds me of an Evidence Board. And the sad thing? Hardly any of you futurists agree with each other, argue blue in the fact that THIS TIME IT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY GOT TO BE REAL! And then 1948 rolls by, and 7 years passes... and nothing happens. You've just noticed another few verses to tack onto your Crazy Wall to try and save or explain away 1948. But it just reminds me of Jehovah's Witnesses trying to explain away their many infamous failed predictions. The whole enterprise is just plain sad and embarrassing. God willing (that is, if I don't die or he doesn't return in 4 seconds), I'll see you for an explanation in 2031.

An evidence board (also known as a "conspiracy board," "crazy wall," or "murder map") is a common background feature in thriller and detective fiction movies and TV.[1][2] It features a collage of media from different sources, pinned to a pinboard or stuck to a wall, and frequently interconnected with string to mark connections.[3] A more technical related name for these sorts of visualizations and charts within law enforcement are Anacapa charts which are used for social network analysis.[4]

Evidence boards are associated in fiction with both detective activities and obsessional interests, including those of delusional individuals pursuing conspiracy theories.[citation needed]

Evidence boards can be seen in numerous TV series, including Homeland, Fargo, Sherlock, The Bridge and True Detective.[5][3]

Evidence boards have also been used as a teaching tool.[6]
Evidence board - Wikipedia

Douggg · Feb 12, 2022

eclipsenow said:
Ha ha ha - you think?
It's from Sherlock Holmes.
I repeatedly link to it because it's how Amils see futurists desperately crawling through the bible, plucking things out of context, and FORCING them into some sort of timeline of the future. The whole exercise reminds me of an Evidence Board. And the sad thing? Hardly any of you futurists agree with each other, argue blue in the fact that THIS TIME IT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY GOT TO BE REAL! And then 1948 rolls by, and 7 years passes... and nothing happens. You've just noticed another few verses to tack onto your Crazy Wall to try and save or explain away 1948. But it just reminds me of Jehovah's Witnesses trying to explain away their many infamous failed predictions. The whole enterprise is just plain sad and embarrassing. God willing (that is, if I don't die or he doesn't return in 4 seconds), I'll see you for an explanation in 2031.

An evidence board (also known as a "conspiracy board," "crazy wall," or "murder map") is a common background feature in thriller and detective fiction movies and TV.[1][2] It features a collage of media from different sources, pinned to a pinboard or stuck to a wall, and frequently interconnected with string to mark connections.[3] A more technical related name for these sorts of visualizations and charts within law enforcement are Anacapa charts which are used for social network analysis.[4]

Evidence boards are associated in fiction with both detective activities and obsessional interests, including those of delusional individuals pursuing conspiracy theories.[citation needed]

Evidence boards can be seen in numerous TV series, including Homeland, Fargo, Sherlock, The Bridge and True Detective.[5][3]

Evidence boards have also been used as a teaching tool.[6]
Evidence board - Wikipedia

I realized that you were being sarcastic with the chart. But you are not supposed to be goading in this thread... right?

Why don't you - instead of attacking futurists - work on a list of failed timetables of ...JW's failed time tables, Seventh Day Adventist failed time tables, Edgar C. Whisenant failed time tables, Brenda Weltner failed time tables on You Tube... etc.

trophy33 · Feb 12, 2022

Douggg said:
I don't know the what the numbers are percentage wise. And since you did not say, I don't think you know the percentage either. I said "minority", not "percentage".

Percentage here or there, just count major denominations and their eschatological views.

Douggg said:
Anyway there is no mandatory requirement that a person be a futurist for this forum. Nor a non-futurist.

Exactly my point. Therefore you answered your own question.

Douggg · Feb 12, 2022

myst33 said:
Percentage here or there, just count major denominations and their eschatological views.

Okay, the Catholics are the biggest. Isn't the futurist view supposed to have started with Jesuit Catholic priest Francisco Ribera? That's what the claim is.

Hazelelponi · Feb 12, 2022

Douggg said:
You have yet to make your own response to the opening post. Why don't you just do so? Create a list of JW's failed time tables, Seventh Day Adventist failed time tables, Edgar C. Whisenant failed time tables, Brenda Weltner failed time tables on You Tube... etc.

I made my contribution in response to the opening post already in my post #5.

You are saying that when you haven't even made your own post addressing the opening post?

I haven't made a post in response to the OP because I can't post what I don't know. I thought it would be an interesting thread to learn from though....

I know there are many failed predictions, but I don't know who is behind each one - or even which ones were specific to Christians versus those which are secular.

Couple that with how Christians deal with failed predictions, and while I have my own ideas, I am curious how other believers see the ever changing dates.

But since my background isn't Christianity, there's only one failed prediction that has occurred since I've been saved, and that wasn't end of times - just Trump stuff. At least this is my thinking since the last end of the world apocalypse was the 2012 stuff, and that was secular I think but I wasn't Christian in 2012 either.

So, I'm reading the topic out of interest in the topic, not in your personal beliefs in futurist dispensationalist type scenarios.

Hazelelponi · Feb 12, 2022

Douggg said:
I did. Look at my first post in this thread #5. I responded to the OP.

So your answer to the OP's question on how do people deal with failed date setting is to move the date to another future time, endlessly?

Makes sense, it does seem to be what date setters do.

trophy33 · Feb 12, 2022

Douggg said:
Okay, the Catholics are the biggest. Isn't the futurist view supposed to have started with Jesuit Catholic priest Francisco Ribera? That's what the claim is.

Many views have started with some Catholic, they are the biggest denomination, so the probability is high. Even protestantism have started with Catholic priests or monks.

Douggg · Feb 12, 2022

Hazelelponi said:
So, I'm reading the topic out of interest in the topic, not in your personal beliefs in futurist dispensationalist type scenarios.

These threads are not tailored to each individual member's situation. There are a couple of 100,000 members to Christian Forums. I would suggest reading the threads and disregarding the parts that don't appeal to you.

Why don't you read this short wikepedia article on Edgar C. Whisenant, who pushed his 88 reasons Jesus should return in 1988. That is a noted time table that failed.

Edgar C. Whisenant - Wikipedia

eclipsenow · Feb 12, 2022

Hazelelponi said:
So your answer to the OP's question on how do people deal with failed date setting is to move the date to another future time, endlessly?

Makes sense, it does seem to be what date setters do.

There is that!
See, Revelation can't be about something boring like how gospel belief works under the persecution of the Romans 2000 years ago. That would be boring. It wouldn't be about us, and give us a special sense of our own insight - our own obsessive quest to have something on our neighbours. To have that apocalyptic Sarah Connor feeling that you know precisely WHEN Judgement Day is coming, and it somehow makes you special.

They forget she also carved this into the table which doesn't quite fit with the gospel promise of the Lord's return sometime, that we get to enjoy - if we're both faithful and patient.

Hazelelponi · Feb 12, 2022

Douggg said:
These threads are not tailored to each individual member's situation.

And here I thought threads were "tailored" as it were, to address the thread topic.

Douggg · Feb 12, 2022

myst33 said:
Many views have started with some Catholic, they are the biggest denomination, so the probability is high. Even protestantism have started with Catholic priests or monks.

So a futurist view, which can vary a lot, is not a minority view.

trophy33 · Feb 12, 2022

Douggg said:
So a futurist view, which can vary a lot, is not a minority view.

Your version of futurism is a very minority view.

Just because many denominations believe in the final judgement etc to be still future, does not mean that your EU/Israel/antichrist/beast/temple/microchips/Russia/dates/charts etc. ideas are the same theology.

Douggg · Feb 12, 2022

Hazelelponi said:
And here I thought threads were "tailored" as it were, to address the thread topic.

Then do your part and talk about some failed prophecy time tables.

Douggg · Feb 12, 2022

myst33 said:
Your version of futurism is a very minority view.

When it comes to details - certainly.

Generally speaking though - in its broadest terms, futurism believes that there is coming a world dictator, during whose time will be the great tribulation, to be ended with Jesus's return.

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