With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

[Halbhh]

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

You begin to get the sense of the wording -- that any amount of time is for God any other amount of time He chooses.

So, a billion years are like an hour. Or a second is like a million years....
If He chooses....

But it does help suggest something profound about His words when He says "day"......

Such as:

"but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

Of course Adam lived ~930 years....

But 900 years is like a day to God....

Or a 33 year human lifetime is a 'day' also:

14 “The day will come, says the LORD, when I will do for Israel and Judah all the good things I have promised them. 15 “In those days and at that time I will raise up a righteous descendant from King David's line. He will do what is just and right throughout the land."


Genesis chapter 1 says nothing at all about how much mere mortal time passed, because that would be a triviality really.... The scripture is far more profound than merely listing a mere duration of years as its main theme. We should not be surprised that scripture never gives any age for the Earth, not even suggested in any verse.

Anywhere.

We also have nothing at all in Genesis chapters 2 and 3 about how much mortal time passed in the outside world -- outside the Garden on Earth -- while Adam and Eve dwelled in the paradise of the Garden of Eden where the Eternal One Himself walked in the Garden....and where He put the eternal Tree of Life -- the same tree that will be in heaven we read in the last chapter of the bible:

Eden Restored​

22 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.
-- Revelation 22, the last chapter in the Bible.

From the Garden to the end of time (literally, where time will be no more, as we will leave this mortal life) -- the Alpha and the Omega.....

How long is a 'day' in heaven then?

The Earth is a mere 4.55 billion years old in mere mortal time, which is passing away, and will cease to exist.....

It's a time duration that means little or nothing really..,..

It's God's time that matters, not ours. And His time is eternity....

 

[BobRyan]

The post above refers to 2 Peter 3. That chapter talks about the "Day of the Lord" as a 1000 year period of time between the coming of Christ (as seen in Rev 19) and the melting of the earth in the Lake of Fire as seen in Rev 20-- a literal 1000 year period of time according to Rev 20 that is described as "The Day of the Lord" in 2 Peter 3.

So then in 2 Peter 3- we are told that "a day is like 1000 years and a thousand years is as a day - for the Lord".

It helps explain why the term used is "The day of the Lord" for that 1000 year period of time in 2 Peter 3.

(scoffers come along saying)
4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue just as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly people.

8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

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Notice
1. That 2 Peter 3 statement does not use "evening and morning where a single day" since obviously that is not the context for it in 2 Pet 3.
2. That 2 Peter 3 does not have something like "six days you shall do all your work each week.. for in six days God did this-or-that" in 2 Peter 3

 

[Vambram]

Let's look at New Testament references to the events in Genesis. Let's see what Jesus and the apostles said about Adam & Eve as well as the Great Flood.

Mark 10:5-9

Luke 17:26-27

Romans 5:12-19

Romans 8:19-22

1 Corinthians 15:20-24

Hebrews 11:7

1 Peter 3:18-22

2 Peter 3:4-8

Luke 3:23-38

Jesus's genealogy is literally traced in the Gospel of Luke all the way back to Adam.

After reading those Scriptures, does the New Testament teach in a literal interpretation of Genesis chapters 1-9? Does the New Testament teach young earth creationism? Without any doubts at all, I know that the answer to both those questions is, "Yes."

 

[Halbhh]

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

Indeed, it's fire....-- it's not a slow thing clearly -- so, this destruction of course will happen relatively quickly. It might only take 2-24 hours of divine world wide fire (at the most, if not a lot quicker) to finish off all the human structures we have built. Perhaps it could even be just minutes....,


I have something far better to do then only pointing out a detail or 2 that I think matters to consider though....

Let me put another post just below.

 

[Halbhh]

Let's humbly listen to the whole chapter of 2nd Peter 3.....

Being listeners -- to silence our own talking (in our minds) -- and let the words speak and teach us.

....
Why would we want to do this? Why would we want to silence all of our doctrinal theories and just listen?


...

Well, if we can truly listen, then wonderfully the Teacher is the only one talking, and He teaches us and we hear and learn things we need....

(So, it's not ourselves repeating our own ideas to ourselves then....)

Because He is the Teacher He said:

8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.


That's pure listening (only) is what I want to do -- to over and over again become truly silent and just listen, and hear with "ears that hear".

====================

So, let's just listen, you and me....

So, anyone reading this.....take time. Pray. Pray the Lord's prayer in Matthew 6.....

And wait until you are ready to listen....

Wait until you are ready for that pure listening, if it takes an hour or a minute, or even a day....wait....

And then, when you are wanting to just purely listen, alone, then...that's when to read....


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2nd Peter chapter 3:

1 Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. 2 I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.

3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
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2 Peter 3 NIV

 

[BobRyan]

Indeed, it's fire....-- it's not a slow thing clearly -- so, this destruction of course will happen relatively quickly. It might only take 2-24 hours of divine world wide fire (at the most, if not a lot quicker) to finish off

It does not give the time - but I agree that it does not say "never ending pain" or "infinite torture" etc.

BobRyan said:
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

as opposed to "it never accomplishes the task".

Ezek 28 gives a similar picture

 

[Halbhh]

It does not give the time - but I agree that it does not say "never ending pain" or "infinite torture" etc.

BobRyan said:
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

as opposed to "it never accomplishes the task".

Ezek 28 gives a similar picture

"Melt" -- that's a pretty decisive word isn't it?

It's a destruction of this current Earth -- when even the elements melt....

So, that fits how this current Earth will "pass away" (as we read).

And this brings to mind for me also in John's revelation what will happen to the broader 'heavens' (the distant stars, that is, the Universe). (Revelation 6 if anyone would like to see it, in verse 14)

The old Earth and heavens ('heavens' here = universe) will "pass away" Christ said. (seems a very clear foretelling -- "Heaven and Earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.")

But we read they be replaced, with "a new heaven and a new Earth."

We can be so grateful

 

[BobRyan]

2 Peter 3 says this --

3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue just as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly people.

hmm - so then flooding Earth and killing all air-breathing life on land is calls "the world at that time was destroyed".

In that context we have

2 Pet 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.


Malachi 4: “For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze,” says the Lord of armies, “so that it will leave them neither root nor branches. 2 But for you who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings; and you will go forth and frolic like calves from the stall. 3 And you will crush the wicked underfoot, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I am preparing,” says the Lord of armies.

Matt 5 -- the saints inherit the Earth. Not "the saints inherit AN Earth"

Ezek 28 - the fallen angel, covering cherub .. reduced to ashes on Earth.

Rev 20 -- the lake of fire - on earth.


Ezek 28

14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.

16 “By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
Therefore I cast you as a profane thing
Out of the mountain of God;
And I destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the fiery stones.

17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
I cast you to the ground,
I laid you before kings,
That they might gaze at you.

18 “You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;
Therefore I brought fire from your midst;
It devoured you,
And I turned you to ashes upon the earth
In the sight of all who saw you.


Saints walking on the ashes of the wicked - appears to be a reference to the New Earth condition of Rev 21 where saints are on Earth and the wicked reduced to ashes from Rev 20.


That preserves the idea that the saints "inherit the Earth" , walk on the ashes of the wicked - yet on the New Earth -- a paradise described in Rev 21,22

 

[Halbhh]

Matt 5 -- the saints inherit the Earth... (and 2 more reductions)

Let's quote these quick summaries accurately enough not to lose meaning.


So, let's see the wonderful fullness of what is actually said.

Matthew 5 NIV

 

[davetaff]

Hi

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

A simple statement of fact when Noah stepped of the ark the onlything missing was ,man in the image of God so God began a new creation the end result would be man in his image that man would be Jesus Christ.
This creation would take 6 days each day 1000 years long we are now coming to the end of the 6th day.
The 7th day is Christs millennial reign and the Fathers sabbath rest which we can enter into.

Love and peace
Dave

 

[davetaff]

Hi

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

A simple statement of fact when Noah stepped of the ark the onlything missing was ,man in the image of God so God began a new creation the end result would be man in his image that man would be Jesus Christ.
This creation would take 6 days each day 1000 years long we are now coming to the end of the 6th day.
The 7th day is Christs millennial reign and the Fathers sabbath rest which we can enter into.

Love and peace
Dave

Hi so the first man in his image that God created after the flood was Israel this was man in the image of God in the flesh the man of flesh cannot enter the kingdom of God he must be changed into a spiritual being.
The physical man must die and be reborn a spiritual being only then can he enter the body of Christ this happens through baptism of the Holy Spirit our body of flesh dies and we are reborn as a spiritual being and enter the body of Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Ace777]

Of course Adam lived ~930 years....

He died a spiritual death that day. He no longer had the breath of life in him that we read about in Genesis 2:7.

 

[davetaff]

He died a spiritual death that day. He no longer had the breath of life in him that we read about in Genesis 2:7.

Hi Ace777 thank you for your reply the question remains was the first and last Adam created in the same way for we know that when Christ died and was resurrected he became the head of a whole multitude of believers was it the same for the first Adam of course he never got resurrected.
We know there were people calling on God t he problem was they were contaminated by the angels of God and produced giants not part of Gods plan so they were all destroyed in the flood.
So then God began a new creation with Noah and everything on the ark the end result man in the image of God that would be Jesus Christ the head and the multitude of believers his body.
God began a new creation in Christ it would take 2000 years thats why Christ said

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened

It was the days of creation of man in the image of God he was speaking of

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Ace777]

was the first and last Adam created in the same way

(1 Corinthians 15:45-49). First comes the natural then the Spiritual from Heaven

God began a new creation in Christ it would take 2000 years

It took God 6,000 years to create us. So it is taking 6,000 years to restore us.

 

[davetaff]

(1 Corinthians 15:45-49). First comes the natural then the Spiritual from Heaven


It took God 6,000 years to create us. So it is taking 6,000 years to restore us.

Hi Ace777 yes then natural comes first and the natural man the first man God created in his image was Israel.
To create man in his image will take 6000 years from Noah to the coming fo Christ will take 6000 years.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Ace777]

Hi Ace777 yes then natural comes first and the natural man the first man God created in his image was Israel.

Was and still is when you consider that Paul says the gentiles are wild branches grafted into the tree. Gentiles are not "Jewish" they are not descended from Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. The law requires two witnesses and God has two witness in the earth. The Hebrew people and the Church. Both inherit the promises of Abraham.

13I am speaking to you Gentiles. ... ROMANS 11

17Now if some branches have been broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others to share in the nourishment of the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, remember this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.

19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly notg spare you either.

 

[Halbhh]

He died a spiritual death that day. He no longer had the breath of life in him that we read about in Genesis 2:7.

Yes, we've said that above in the thread -- you've got that key thing quite right of course.

Looking at it in the thread helped us to notice how the phrasing around a word (here, translated as "day") sometimes depends on broader contextual clues (in other chapters, even other books, even sometimes depending on the bible more broadly as a whole), and not just merely translation alone, nor only the chapter a word appears in only. Of course this might be well known to you, but I'm just mentioning it.

 

[Ace777]

(in other chapters, even other books, even sometimes depending on the bible more broadly as a whole)

That is what they teach in Bible college. I go by Moses and the Red Letters of Jesus. No one adds anything to that. In fact Jesus says: Love God, Love your neighbor as yourself. This is the sum total of all 613 laws.

 

[davetaff]

Hi Ace777 thanks for your reply yes Israel will be grafted back into its own tree this is Israel being reborn in the Spirit and being grafted back with all the Gentile believers and all Israel will be saved thats Israel and all the gentile believers and Christ will present this great multitude before the throne of God.

You said
That is what they teach in Bible college

Do we have to go to bible college to learn and understand God's word after all you only learn what men say not what God says Christ did not preach to the learned of his day but to
the Ordenary man in the street who was uneducated why listen to what men say when we can read Gods word direct from the bible far more beneficial don't you think.


Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Ace777]

Do we have to go to bible college to learn and understand God's word

I was mostly taking treacher training classes. We need to learn how to communicate. Pastors go to school to learn how to council others. The Bible does say the Holy Spirit is our teacher and out guide. WE do not need man to teach us the word of God.