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Wisconsin bars packed after court lifts stay-at-home order; people not concerned about virus
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<blockquote data-quote="ArmenianJohn" data-source="post: 74995320" data-attributes="member: 324023"><p>Well first, you made the contradictory statements. I quoted them and they are clearly contradictory and they are your own words. Beyond that, the words you choose to use are hyperbolic and extreme which only makes your self-contradictions that much more stark. You can't blame me for your own words so you shouldn't be trying to blame me.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Here you're saying people have limited personal liberties (i.e. freedom) but earlier you said "people have freedom to make their own choices, whether good or bad. There are consequences (personal and legal) for making bad choices, but we still have the freedom to make them."</p><p></p><p>So you're contradicting yourself again. We have freedom to make any choice or we sacrificed some of those freedoms to not be able to make that choice?</p><p></p><p></p><p>So now you're mixing your two earlier contradictory statements and saying there is a mix of freedom and limits on freedom. With that, I agree. So it's a matter of what those limits should or shouldn't be.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Correct. That's why laws prohibiting gathering in places like bars and restaurants are Constitutional - they protect the rights of the general population to not become infected. I'm glad you agree with that.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In Wisconsin they're not. In my state they would be breaking the law. In both cases, though, they're infringing on my Constitutional rights. I don't like their personal choices but I can't avoid infected people when I don't know who they are, and they won't tell me that they went to a bar and got infected, so there has to be law and order to protect those of us who are not reckless. It's no different from a drunk driver - they can argue that their drinking and driving doesn't affect me but the possibility that it COULD affect me and even kill me is why we have laws against it. Same with gathering the way these people are in a bar - that action could end up affecting me and many others, and even killing us.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ArmenianJohn, post: 74995320, member: 324023"] Well first, you made the contradictory statements. I quoted them and they are clearly contradictory and they are your own words. Beyond that, the words you choose to use are hyperbolic and extreme which only makes your self-contradictions that much more stark. You can't blame me for your own words so you shouldn't be trying to blame me. Here you're saying people have limited personal liberties (i.e. freedom) but earlier you said "people have freedom to make their own choices, whether good or bad. There are consequences (personal and legal) for making bad choices, but we still have the freedom to make them." So you're contradicting yourself again. We have freedom to make any choice or we sacrificed some of those freedoms to not be able to make that choice? So now you're mixing your two earlier contradictory statements and saying there is a mix of freedom and limits on freedom. With that, I agree. So it's a matter of what those limits should or shouldn't be. Correct. That's why laws prohibiting gathering in places like bars and restaurants are Constitutional - they protect the rights of the general population to not become infected. I'm glad you agree with that. In Wisconsin they're not. In my state they would be breaking the law. In both cases, though, they're infringing on my Constitutional rights. I don't like their personal choices but I can't avoid infected people when I don't know who they are, and they won't tell me that they went to a bar and got infected, so there has to be law and order to protect those of us who are not reckless. It's no different from a drunk driver - they can argue that their drinking and driving doesn't affect me but the possibility that it COULD affect me and even kill me is why we have laws against it. Same with gathering the way these people are in a bar - that action could end up affecting me and many others, and even killing us. [/QUOTE]
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