With the state of our nation, being that Americans seem more into "devil" activities than ever before (I know since I'm 26 and I was one of them). Seems like everything is about sex, drugs, gambling, etc. etc. and the **** on TV (I don't think people really act like that, but I guess children will grow up thinking that's how to act to varying situations). Seems like we are getting farther and farther away from what this country was founded on that made this country great.
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Will our nation fall?
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I dont know, free expression made this country great, I think.
It seems that almost every generation thinks that things have gotten worse since the generation before it.
However, for all of our faults, do you really think society has gotten worse? I mean, are we worse off today than we where when we used to lynch blacks and oppress blacks, women, and others that were different?
It seems that almost every generation thinks that things have gotten worse since the generation before it.
However, for all of our faults, do you really think society has gotten worse? I mean, are we worse off today than we where when we used to lynch blacks and oppress blacks, women, and others that were different?
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Michali
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There is a trend that is developing, though. I believe that the increase in decadence will only make the righteous seem like "shining rebels" in a failing nation. There is always a drive to be different in society, and the trend will only continue to circulate.CushBabylonian said:
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Indeed, no political structure can last for ever, and it seems that as time goes on, nations and empires have been having shorter lifespans.Bohemian said:
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The thing though, is with globalization, the fall of a large nation seems like it would be less likely to happen, unless it was followed with a dark ages. Since nations are interdependant apon each other, and have formed huge alliances. With the modernization of weapons, smaller wars appear to be a more common thing than full scale conflicts (which is the way things go, since most of our weapons are made for larger wars). So I think that nations may change, but I doubt they will be as likely to fall, without some huge event to set everything in motion.
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What I meant was that no political structure can stay in a position of power forever (though I phrased it really poorly now that I look back). A recent example would be the fall of Britain from power. They had a great deal of power across the world, but didn't keep it for that long, relatively. I think that the US has a lot of years of power ahead of us, but in fifty years or so we will no longer be a super power, and will be rather unimportant likely (though we won't admit it).Arikay said:
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Blissman
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I have no idea if it will fail or if, perhaps it will recover. One thing about the news is that you only see the bad news. Good, or routine life does make headlines. To answer your question directly, it does not depend on the actions of others. It depends on us. Each one of us. This crosses all faiths, those who are unsure, and those who have chosen not to believe in a God, Gods, or a diety-philosphy. In the end, it is up to us. Other than giving the knowlege of Truth, and how they are to behave in life to our Children, preaching to others does not change how that person may live their lives.
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ps139
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I think that our society and culture is on a downward spiral. Nowadays it seems like everything is permitted, moral standards are breaking down. Our country does have our dark moments in history, no doubt about that. I think the best time in this country was in the 40s & 50s, around the WWII era, the era of the "greatest generation." Of course the country had problems then but I think there are more now. Moral standards are breaking down, small businesses are being eaten up by the likes of Starbucks and Home Depot, the government is getting more and more bureaucratic, people's interest in politics is down, education is no longer as valued, and the quest for sex and money is presented by mass media as the purpose of life. The point you make about children seeing TV and movie scenarios as "the norm" is right on target, and in my opinion is the most dangerous threat to our society. So I think we have hit our apex and are spiraling downward.
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Yeah your right PS139 the US was a much moral place when prejudice and oppression were common place. 
As I said, every generation seems to think that theirs is less moral than the ones in the past. Often it seems to be generations that they didn't live through, or times in the past where they only see the good.
Personally, I think we are much better off than we were in the 80's and definatly better than the first half of the 20th century.
As I said, every generation seems to think that theirs is less moral than the ones in the past. Often it seems to be generations that they didn't live through, or times in the past where they only see the good.
Personally, I think we are much better off than we were in the 80's and definatly better than the first half of the 20th century.
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Where I am, things are definitely worse: all you need to do is look at the trend in the unmarried teenage pregnacy rate to see that.Arikay said:
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You got that right. People where just as "sinful" in the past if not more. It just seems like more is happening now because it is shown more offen not hidden as it was befor. With the improvments in science, technology and the majoritys view on the world I would say we have been improving in great bounds compaired to the state of Rome befor it fell. Just because you see the bad more then the good doesn't meen the bad out numbers the good.Arikay said:Yeah your right PS139 the US was a much moral place when prejudice and oppression were common place.
As I said, every generation seems to think that theirs is less moral than the ones in the past. Often it seems to be generations that they didn't live through, or times in the past where they only see the good.
Personally, I think we are much better off than we were in the 80's and definatly better than the first half of the 20th century.
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I agree.
I even have an example in mind.
A couple years ago, shark attacks were all over the news and some national magazines had pronounced that year the "year of the shark attack" as it appeared that there had been more shark attacks than ever before. In reality the amount of shark attacks was about average for the last couple of years. Its just that the reporting on them increased. The next year, was deemed "the year of child abductions" (although im not sure if it was officially deemed that from a national magazine) because there were so many child abductions. In reality, there were actually less that year than the year before.
It all has to do with perception.
I even have an example in mind.
A couple years ago, shark attacks were all over the news and some national magazines had pronounced that year the "year of the shark attack" as it appeared that there had been more shark attacks than ever before. In reality the amount of shark attacks was about average for the last couple of years. Its just that the reporting on them increased. The next year, was deemed "the year of child abductions" (although im not sure if it was officially deemed that from a national magazine) because there were so many child abductions. In reality, there were actually less that year than the year before.
It all has to do with perception.
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Usually, yes.Arikay said:I agree.
I even have an example in mind.
A couple years ago, shark attacks were all over the news and some national magazines had pronounced that year the "year of the shark attack" as it appeared that there had been more shark attacks than ever before. In reality the amount of shark attacks was about average for the last couple of years. Its just that the reporting on them increased. The next year, was deemed "the year of child abductions" (although im not sure if it was officially deemed that from a national magazine) because there were so many child abductions. In reality, there were actually less that year than the year before.
It all has to do with perception.
But things do run in cycles within cultures. Things are not the same as Fifty years ago.
If you consult birth records to discern the number of pregnancies outside marriage they are very high at present in my country - even if they have been higher in other places at different times, they are higher than they have ever been here.
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Yes.
But the the thing is, you have to look at everything as a whole. some have gotten better, other things haven't, but what is the overall trend.
Then you also have to look at what people consider Moral. As I know there are things that I consider moral improvements in the US, that many christians probably see as the moral destruction of society.
But the the thing is, you have to look at everything as a whole. some have gotten better, other things haven't, but what is the overall trend.
Then you also have to look at what people consider Moral. As I know there are things that I consider moral improvements in the US, that many christians probably see as the moral destruction of society.
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There has never been a time in U.S. history that some chunk of society didn't think that the country was going in the toilet. While it may appear anecdotally that society is getting worse, such may not necessarily be the case. Teen pregnancies are down, use of most illicit drugs are down compared with previous decades, time spend volunteering by young people is up over past decades, and people committing to religion is just as strong as ever. Are there things wrong? Sure there are, but every era in U.S. history has appeared terribly dark to at least some segment of the population. Being a person of African decent in this country was never a good thing until recently, and many would understandably argue it still isn't, as could other minorities. Same for the disabled, or women, or the poor, etc.CushBabylonian said:
It all depends on how you choose to look at life. One can choose to be a doom and gloom kind of person by focusing almost exclusively on the bad aspects of society, or one can have hope and optimism that people are good, and while there are many things to work on to improve, our nation isn't going to h*** in a handbasket, but just continuing to evolve human societies always have and always will.
my 2 cents.
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Why is sexual promiscuity the christian epitome of immorality? It has been around since the dawn of time, nowadays we just have technology to propagate it. Our time will come but we're not on the brink. Hasn't it been more than 1000 years since christians first anticipated the apocalypse? And according to some christians now we'll finally see the apocalypse very soon, probably before the the US has time to collapse (phew!).
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Actually, it's been almost 2000 years of having the second coming (and therefore apocalypse) just around the corner, since many of the earliest Christians believed that Jesus would return within the lifetimes of those he had originally revealed himself to.DLraing said:
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The Earth is degenerating these days. Bribery and corruption abound. Children no longer mind their parents, every man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching.
- Assyrian Stone Tablet,c.2800BC
The Earth is degenerating these days. Bribery and corruption abound. Children no longer mind their parents, every man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching.
- Assyrian Stone Tablet,c.2800BC
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