So you’re saying that the gospels are not the gospels for gentiles? Because Jesus taught the gospel of the kingdom. What you’re saying is that everything that Jesus taught does not pertain to us. Is that your official position?The gospel of the kingdom always required Faith + works to be saved.
No such thing as OSAS there, you are correct.
But you must accept that the bible has different instructions to different groups at different times.
But we’re not talking about a person we’re talking about the gospel. If your going to say that there are two different gospels then your going to have to show scriptural evidence of the differences between those two gospels. Even Paul taught that people can lose their salvation. Galatians 5:4 is a prime example. He even taught that he himself could lose his salvation in 2 Timothy 2:12.If I preach my wife has long hair
You preach your wife has long hair
Can one conclude that your wife is my wife?
John 8:56Do you believe that there were people who were saved before Jesus Christ came to this earth? If so, would you include Noah in the list?
I am not going to get mixed up in your twisted parables or universe. The Scriptures are clear that if anyone preaches another gospel, they are accursed. So you believe there are two gospels, which sets up a dilemma for you. Pure and simple.I am using your same reasoning.
You cannot tell?
But we’re not talking about a person we’re talking about the gospel. If your going to say that there are two different gospels then your going to have to show scriptural evidence of the differences between those two gospels. Even Paul taught that people can lose their salvation. Galatians 5:4 is a prime example. He even taught that he himself could lose his salvation in 2 Timothy 2:12.
I am not going to get mixed up in your twisted parables or universe. The Scriptures are clear that if anyone preaches another gospel, they are accursed. So you believe there are two gospels, which sets up a dilemma for you. Pure and simple.
So you’re saying that the gospels are not the gospels for gentiles? Because Jesus taught the gospel of the kingdom. What you’re saying is that everything that Jesus taught does not pertain to us. Is that your official position?
Galatians 1:8: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.Galatians 1:8-9 is not saying that. Read it carefully.
My point is that there is only one gospel and that both Jesus and the apostle Paul taught.My reply to you was not about how many good news are found in scripture.
I was agreeing with your point that the gospel of the kingdom always requires faith + works for salvation.
That was your point correct?
Peter preached to Cornelius and his household the gospel message and they believed. So the Gentiles were later included in God's program after Pentecost. We also see Gentiles were saved involving the story of Jonah. Rahab was a gentile, and she was in Jesus' lineage. So the gospels are not just for the Jews only. The Jews were supposed to be a light unto the Gentiles. It's just during Christ's ministry, the disciples were to first go to the Jews first. This was never intended to be a permanent focus. God always planned to include Gentiles in his plan of salvation. Do you not know that Revelation 13:8 implies that believers have their names written in the Book of Life since the foundation of the world? This would obviously include Gentile believers.Matthew 10:5-8 and Matthew 15:24 is Jesus's official position regarding the gospel of the kingdom and gentiles during his first coming.
Galatians 1:8: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9: As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."
Don't see any wiggle room in this verse for two gospels.
My point is that there is only one gospel and that both Jesus and the apostle Paul taught "faith + works" = salvation.
You mean, Galatians chapter 1, verses 7-9, right?who are the you Paul was referring to, in light of Galatians 2:7-9?
I believe your imaginary belief fits nicely with Dean Burgon's criticism of the Modern critics of his day.Just because both of them preached the kingdom of God, you assume that means they are preaching the same gospel of the kingdom.
That was your illogical reasoning earlier, correct?
You mean, Galatians chapter 1, verses 7-9, right?
If so, while the word "you" refers to how this letter was written to the Galatian church, the message still applies to all believers.
Galatians 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
The gospel of the kingdom doesn’t require works for salvation it’s still the same gospel preached by Paul.I was agreeing with his point that the gospel of the kingdom always requires faith + works for salvation.
You and others get confused at times by Paul's wording of the gospel. But it is the same gospel -Christ's gospel that he preached and taught.you assume that means they are preaching the same gospel of the kingdom.
My dear friend. You have to look at the Bible as a whole. In order to come up with your interpretation on Galatians 2:7, it would have to be read in the vacuum of space with no other surrounding verses. As Christians we need to read more the whole chapter when reading a difficult a verse and we need to ask God the Father for His Spirit to give us the understanding, too. So I would highly encourage to prayerfully reread Galatians chapter 2 entirely and reflect on the full context that is given. I believe you are getting caught up on the archaic wording in the KJV. Granted, this is not an error in the KJV. As you may know, I am a strong KJV defender, and I am no fan of Modern Bibles, but they can sometimes be helpful of fleshing out the archaic wording in the KJV sometimes (When the wording does agree). This is one of those instances that is good to read the whole chapter in a Modern Translation to understand what is going on (and then switch back and re-read the whole thing again in the KJV). So please try reading the whole chapter first in the NLT, then go back to the KJV to see how they match up.I meant Galatians 2:7-9
Right, the gospel is simply 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.The gospel of the kingdom doesn’t require works for salvation it’s still the same gospel preached by Paul.
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