Why?

[bball3212]

A lot of people on this board seem to attack the LDS (mormon) church.
Why? If it is not the church of God, then it will fall on its own, as said in the book of Acts.

Now for a change in subject.

I know that God exists. I know that the Bible and the Book of Mormon are the word of God. I know that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God. I know that God continues to give revelation to us today through the prophets.

The book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Chirst. It goes hand and hand with the Bible.

 

[Ben_Hur]

It's not attacking, young man. It is debate and discussion, with a little bit of witnessing on the part of both sides.

It gets a little heated sometimes, but that's ok and to be expected.

 

[gort]

We are not attacking.....merely trying to Shine the Light so to speak.......

Some of us may have friends, relatives or neighbors that are Mormon. My dad is a Mormon high priest....and I find that our beliefs are quite different.

The Mormon perception of who God is quite different from those of us "fundies" for starts.

 

[baker]

I know that God continues to give revelation to us today through the prophets.

Hi Bball.

Question:

How do you know that god continues to give revelation today through your prophets? Is this something you have been told, or is their evidence for this statement?

I mean in the past 150 or so years, how many revelations has god revealed to your prophets that has impacted your doctrine.

It seems to me that almost all revelations stopped with the death of Joseph Smith. Am I correct?

 

[Suzannah]

No one I know attacks Mormons. They may attack the doctrine as being a "false gospel". Further, in my opinion, the subject has been fully disclosed to be a fraud, part and parcel, by secular sources, non-Christian historians. What's to debate about the facts? [Edited by a moderator]

 

[bball3212]

No one I know attacks Mormons. They may attack the doctrine as being a "false gospel". Further, in my opinion, the subject has been fully disclosed to be a fraud, part and parcel, by secular sources, non-Christian historians. What's to debate about the facts? Its a lie, a fraud and a complete and total fabrication by Joseph Smith, an acknowledged (sometimes even by himself) liar.
The historians, Christian and NON Christian, are right: He was a liar. And Mormonism is a fraud.

He was not a liar and mormonism is not a fraud, and I have found that out through prayer.

 

[Suzannah]

Look, I'm not trying to be snide.
But Joseph Smith [Edited by a moderator], and mormonism is a fraud, and I found that out, through diligent research and empirical thinking.

 

[Der Alte]

He was not a liar and mormonism is not a fraud, and I have found that out through prayer.

Unfortunately this is totally subjective. Virtually every denomination which, by their doctrines and practices, are not part of historical, evengelical, Trinitarian theology, claim the same thing. "We know our church is right and all others are wrong because we have prayed about it and the spirit revealed it to us." This assumes that Satan cannot and does not disguise himself as an angel of light.


DA, 1948.

 

[Wrigley]

He was not a liar and mormonism is not a fraud, and I have found that out through prayer.

To your point about fraud.

I suggest you do a google search on Kirkland Bank and Joseph Smith. You'll see fraud that Joe Smith was part of. That's only a beginning.

One thing I pray for sincerly for Mormons is that God will open thier eyes so that they may see the error they are in. Only then, will they come to know the Savior.

 

[Wrigley]

A lot of people on this board seem to attack the LDS (mormon) church.

What is an attack? Is an attack showing the error of the church?

 

[Peterson]

Hey bball3212,
For one thing, Mormons and JWs go door to door to evangelize. The trinitarian churches resent this because you are intruding on what they believe belongs to them. You will be - and have been, attacked in every way possible. Trinitarians have their own closets full of ghosts and you would think that they would spend a little time getting their understanding of scripture straight before they went after others. They can't even agree amongst themselves, who, or what they believe.

 

[calgal]

Hey bball3212,
For one thing, Mormons and JWs go door to door to evangelize. The trinitarian churches resent this because you are intruding on what they believe belongs to them. You will be - and have been, attacked in every way possible. Trinitarians have their own closets full of ghosts and you would think that they would spend a little time getting their understanding of scripture straight before they went after others. They can't even agree amongst themselves, who, or what they believe.

You must be Mormon or JW with that stunning display of illogic.

 

[Toms777]

To your point about fraud.

I suggest you do a google search on Kirkland Bank and Joseph Smith. You'll see fraud that Joe Smith was part of. That's only a beginning.

One thing I pray for sincerly for Mormons is that God will open thier eyes so that they may see the error they are in. Only then, will they come to know the Savior.

Interesting that you should mention that...I have seen it said that the $3 bill issued by the Kirkland Safety Society set up by Joseph Smith was the source of the phrase "phoney as a $3 bill".

http://www.flavinscorner.com/3dollarbill.jpg

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/josephsmithsbank.htm

http://www.algonet.se/~daba/lds/abanking.htm

 

[leeuniverse]

Hello Toms..... As a point of FACT, you might be interested in knowing that LDS as a whole are Highly Educated.
And within those ranks are many who are Super Intelligent as well as sucessful.
We DO NOT get this way by being DUMB or by following a "phoney" religion.

Many of us KNOW quite well the "history" of our religion.
The problem is, is that the critics DO NOT know the history of our religion.
They take only "parts" of that history which "sound" the worst and "interpret" it in the worst way possible.
This is DELIBERATE and INTENTIONAL as well as in ignorance.
They DO NOT include ALL the FACTS, facts which will change the conclusions of the critics to NULL and Void or to so what, as well as more often occurance of showing that their conclusions are outright LIES and the bearing of False Witness.

Now, you've probably heard all this before, but I give my witness as someone who's been active in SEVERAL religions, been a non-believer, been a basic believer in the Church, been a critic of religion and the Church, and now as a full "knower" of the Truth of the Restored Gospel.

Anti-mormonism is NOTHING but perversions, half-truths, and out-right LIES about the Church of Jesus Christ in the last days.
All of which is exactly as Satan works, thus, it is nothing but in the service of the Evil one and NOT God or Truth.

One example of this fact is that Anti-mormonism lead more AWAY from Christ than it does too.
The impressionable of the Flock are lead away and "rarely" ever join another faith, they essentially leave christianity.
Sceptics of religion read the junk and believe it, and use it as a "continued" excuse to Stay Away from christianity because of it's problems and hypocracy.

The ONLY THING usefull it does, but actually in a Negative Way is keep other christians from truly knowing and understanding the Latter-day Work of God.
Thus, anti-mormon's are directly Thwarting God's Work by "interfering" with man's free agency and common sense through promoting lies of the Faith.
So, anti-mormon's are essentially telling God that His Christian Children are too DUMB to seek after and understand ALL of His Fruits, and hence make wise choices based on their agency. They tell God that THEY are the "authority" and hence do and teach things which keep people away.

The Lords Gospel IS NOT one of "compulsion" and "indoctrination".
It is one of FREEDOM in Spirit AND in Truth.......

God is in control..... But anti-mormon's usurp His Control for the "own" ways in leading His children where-ever they wish by their OWN intellect, instead of Trusting in the Spirit of the Lord and His Word.

 

[Serapha]

The problem is, is that the critics DO NOT know the history of our religion.
They take only "parts" of that history which "sound" the worst and "interpret" it in the worst way possible.
This is DELIBERATE and INTENTIONAL as well as in ignorance.
They DO NOT include ALL the FACTS, facts which will change the conclusions of the critics to NULL and Void or to so what, as well as more often occurance of showing that their conclusions are outright LIES and the bearing of False Witness.


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Anti-mormonism is NOTHING but perversions, half-truths, and out-right LIES about the Church of Jesus Christ in the last days.
All of which is exactly as Satan works, thus, it is nothing but in the service of the Evil one and NOT God or Truth.

One example of this fact is that Anti-mormonism lead more AWAY from Christ than it does too.
The impressionable of the Flock are lead away and "rarely" ever join another faith, they essentially leave christianity.
Sceptics of religion read the junk and believe it, and use it as a "continued" excuse to Stay Away from christianity because of it's problems and hypocracy.



.......



God is in control..... But anti-mormon's usurp His Control for the "own" ways in leading His children where-ever they wish by their OWN intellect, instead of Trusting in the Spirit of the Lord and His Word.

Hi there!




Just for clarity, would you... could you define "critic", "anti-mormon", and "anti-mormonism".


~malaka~

 

[Peterson]

Hey Calgal,
None of the above, nor am I a member of any church or denomination. I just look at the facts, and study the Bible without preconceived notions. You can get some great understanding that way - try it.

 

[twhite982]

Hey bball3212,
For one thing, Mormons and JWs go door to door to evangelize. The trinitarian churches resent this because you are intruding on what they believe belongs to them. You will be - and have been, attacked in every way possible. Trinitarians have their own closets full of ghosts and you would think that they would spend a little time getting their understanding of scripture straight before they went after others. They can't even agree amongst themselves, who, or what they believe.

I think you may be on to something here.

The LDS church is percieved as a very big threat and I guess that is why some "under-handed" tactics have been used to discredit the church. We all, no matter what faith we belong to, have our bad apples, but from where I'm standing I see a good deal of those "under-handed" tactics used to bring me to the light. As if someone can beat me into believing what they believe.

I listen to many different EV radio shows during the day and one host, Hank Haanegraaf (spelling???), stated that in the US nearly 80% of LDS converts come from Protestant faiths. Hank at one time used to use those "under-handed" tactics to EV the Mormons, but have found the old addage to be true "You catch more flies with honey" So he has "cooled off" a bit nowadays.

My point is that all the aggression may be to the threat, whether real or just percieved of the LDS church "stealing" thier converts from other faiths.

This is just my 2 cents speaking, though.

TW

 

[pmarquette]

I know that God exists. I know that the Bible and the Book of Mormon are the word of God. I know that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God. I know that God continues to give revelation to us today through the prophets. .... I
....if Joseph Smith was , in fact , a true prophet .... what he attests took place in America would be verifyable by history , archeology , tradition , culture ...[ is not ]
.... God forbid the use of magic , divining , etc.
which Joseph smith practiced , treasure hunting
.... God told John not to add to or take away from his " canon " which is the use of the book of mormon , elevated to equality with the bible
.... Jesus said " by their fruit , you will know them " ; Paul cited 1 Corinthians 6.9 a list of people inelligible to go to heaven ; and some of the actions , behavior of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young , border on those items ....

 

[twhite982]

....if Joseph Smith was , in fact , a true prophet .... what he attests took place in America would be verifyable by history , archeology , tradition , culture ...[ is not ]
.... God forbid the use of magic , divining , etc.
which Joseph smith practiced , treasure hunting
.... God told John not to add to or take away from his " canon " which is the use of the book of mormon , elevated to equality with the bible
.... Jesus said " by their fruit , you will know them " ; Paul cited 1 Corinthians 6.9 a list of people inelligible to go to heaven ; and some of the actions , behavior of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young , border on those items ....

There is a thread on the Book of Mormon, which is getting to be very long, which might offer you a different perspective on the Book of Mormon.

The claim in Revelation is for the book of Revelation itself. When God told John to write Revelation, the rest of the Bible wasn't and wouldn't be compiled as we know it today for quite some time. This remark holds no water in my book.

"By their fruits ye shall no them" doesn't apply specifically to one group. Its universally meant for all.

TW

 

[Toms777]

Hello Toms..... As a point of FACT, you might be interested in knowing that LDS as a whole are Highly Educated.
And within those ranks are many who are Super Intelligent as well as sucessful.
We DO NOT get this way by being DUMB or by following a "phoney" religion.

Many of us KNOW quite well the "history" of our religion.
The problem is, is that the critics DO NOT know the history of our religion.
They take only "parts" of that history which "sound" the worst and "interpret" it in the worst way possible.
This is DELIBERATE and INTENTIONAL as well as in ignorance.
They DO NOT include ALL the FACTS, facts which will change the conclusions of the critics to NULL and Void or to so what, as well as more often occurance of showing that their conclusions are outright LIES and the bearing of False Witness.

Now, you've probably heard all this before, but I give my witness as someone who's been active in SEVERAL religions, been a non-believer, been a basic believer in the Church, been a critic of religion and the Church, and now as a full "knower" of the Truth of the Restored Gospel.

Anti-mormonism is NOTHING but perversions, half-truths, and out-right LIES about the Church of Jesus Christ in the last days.
All of which is exactly as Satan works, thus, it is nothing but in the service of the Evil one and NOT God or Truth.

One example of this fact is that Anti-mormonism lead more AWAY from Christ than it does too.
The impressionable of the Flock are lead away and "rarely" ever join another faith, they essentially leave christianity.
Sceptics of religion read the junk and believe it, and use it as a "continued" excuse to Stay Away from christianity because of it's problems and hypocracy.

The ONLY THING usefull it does, but actually in a Negative Way is keep other christians from truly knowing and understanding the Latter-day Work of God.
Thus, anti-mormon's are directly Thwarting God's Work by "interfering" with man's free agency and common sense through promoting lies of the Faith.
So, anti-mormon's are essentially telling God that His Christian Children are too DUMB to seek after and understand ALL of His Fruits, and hence make wise choices based on their agency. They tell God that THEY are the "authority" and hence do and teach things which keep people away.

The Lords Gospel IS NOT one of "compulsion" and "indoctrination".
It is one of FREEDOM in Spirit AND in Truth.......

God is in control..... But anti-mormon's usurp His Control for the "own" ways in leading His children where-ever they wish by their OWN intellect, instead of Trusting in the Spirit of the Lord and His Word.

First, I never said anything about education, or Mormons being phoney or dumb. Read again. Intelligence does not mean that someone is incapable of being mis-led. Indeed I said absoluetly nothing against the Mormons personal. I indictaed disagreemnets.

Now, you on the other hand have directly attacked those who disagree with you by attribution malicious motives to their disagreement.

Why not deal with the topic rather than attack the persons who disagree with you?