Why?

Pnkr4Christ · May 19, 2005

Why does secular music get so many posts and threads on Christian forums?

foo-oswald · May 19, 2005

Pnkr4Christ said:
Why does secular music get so many posts and threads on Christian forums?

Why not? There are opportunities for followers of Christ to interact with people who share our beliefs and with people who believe differently. We can interact on a huge variety of topics, from all types of music, to evolution, to politics, to clothing; etc. Who knows where these interactions could lead?

So, I repeat my question: Why not?

yoursXtruely · May 19, 2005

Maybe because there are more secular bands than Christian bands, because those secular bands are (for the most part) more talented than most Christian bands, and because there are many Christians who don't feel convicted to listen only to Christian artists.

Nienor · May 19, 2005

because many Christians and most non-Christians don't limit themselves to the, IMHO, lower quality Christian music.

JesusWasn'tWhite · May 19, 2005

Because it would look a whole lot worse if we actually went to a band's website & forum and said stuff like:
"Is ____ Christian!?!11!!!?!"
"(insert junky band here) & (here) are the best evaaa!!111!!! They are so Jesus-centric!"
"Is it okay for Christians to listen to Metallica?"

Yeah.
That's why there are so many threads in the secular music forum.

Pnkr4Christ · May 19, 2005

Well, I understand what JesusWasn'tWhite is saying, but from what I have read I haven't seen any of that happening. It seems more like people are praising secular bands and artists.

Not feeling conviction from Christian artists, but you do from secular artists? What type of conviction do you feel from listening to secular artists?

Arnold_Philips · May 19, 2005

This is the Secular Music forum... and most people don't listen to Christian music.

Pnkr4Christ · May 19, 2005

Oh well, I guess I'm not getting my point through.

TerabyTe · May 19, 2005

Because people like to listen to what they like?

Nienor · May 19, 2005

just because a song doesn't have christian words doesn't mean it can't show God through the creativity. I also don't think its the purpose of Christian music to convict you, its to bring glory to God.

Maynard Keenan · May 19, 2005

Because half of them are do-gooders who come here trying to save our souls from the evils of music that deals with relevant subject OTHER than God.

foo-oswald · May 19, 2005

Pnkr4Christ said:
Well, I understand what JesusWasn'tWhite is saying, but from what I have read I haven't seen any of that happening. It seems more like people are praising secular bands and artists.

Not feeling conviction from Christian artists, but you do from secular artists? What type of conviction do you feel from listening to secular artists?

I see this happening in many of these music-discussion threads. When will we be able to discuss a band's talent- or lack, thereof- without others thinking we're "bashing another Christian" or, in this case, "praising secular bands".

There are secular bands out there that simply have amazing talent, and create amazing music. Do they deserve praise for that? Absolutely! Why not?

Being a musician for the better part of the last 20 years, I have discovered that I have a difficult time worshipping or "feeling conviction" while listening to any music. I end up focusing on the mechanical aspects of the song itself, and not the object of my adoration (God). Sorry for veering off-topic there, but I had to make an attempt to address the whole "conviction" thing.

yoursXtruely merely said he wasn't convicted to limit his music to Christian artists. He didn't say he felt any sort of conviction from secular artists.

foo-oswald · May 19, 2005

Pnkr4Christ said:
Oh well, I guess I'm not getting my point through.

You're not really making any points. And, you're not addressing anyone's responses to your posts, either. You're only asking questions...

Maynard Keenan · May 19, 2005

I think he mistankenly believes that "secular" is somehow analogous to "unchristian." That would explain his desire for us to not listen to secular music. People like the OP need to be educated about things, this being one of them. They need to be shown that secular only means not explicitly religious, and that music can be very good and very unoffensive without explicitly being religious.

reformedfan · May 19, 2005

God used heathens to build His temple.

Sometimes heathens do a much, much better, superior, more excellent job at certain things than Christians.

What makes more sense in the grand scheme of things? A pastor or missionary that sucked at preaching but could churn out tha jammin' tunes? Or Christians who could focus on doing the Word & leave the jammin & churning out the high quality tunes to the heathens?

Christian music is just of much lesser musical quality.

philN · May 19, 2005

I think I'm just going to save this and post it whenever this topic comes up to save the time:

Okay, let me just clear up a common misconception among Christians. There once was man named Plato. He was a Greek philosopher and he wrote alot of socratic dialogues and taught Aristotle. He also made a claim that there are sacred and secular aspects of life. The sacred has to do with the spiritual and the secular has to do with the physical. This Greek philosophy worked it's way into the early church, which developed into a belief called gnosticism. Gnosticism mixes Christianity with Greek philosophy and claims that not only is there a distinction between sacred and secular, but that the sacred is greater than the secular. 1 John was written to combat the spread of gnosticism in the church.

So what does this have to do with secular music? Well, in this thread, I have seen some people saying that they are disappointed that Christians are listening to secular music. I just want to point out that this view is rooted more in greek philosophy and gnosticism than scripture. Plato's idea of there being a distinction between sacred and secular is not wrong, but to say that God is only glorified in the sacred and not the secular is heresy. God created one universe, not a sacred and secular universe. God is sovereign over that one universe, to say that He cannot be glorified in the secular is placing a limit on God's sovereignty.

It doesn't matter if a secular band is using their musical gifts that God has given them to write songs about girls, faith, or turtles, so long as they use His gifts God is glorified in it just as He is glorified when a chef who is a secular uses his gifts to make the best seafood entree that he can (Even if that person had no intention of glorifying God with his creation [see Meat Sacrificed to Idols]). God is glorified in both the sacred and the secular. God created music and God created language and "everything created by God is good and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer." (1 Timothy 4:4-5)

philN · May 19, 2005

I should probably do the same thing with a post about the hypocrisy and lack of artistic integrity in Christian music as that seems to come up alot as well.

The Theory · May 19, 2005

that's very egotistic of you, phil.

philN · May 19, 2005

that's very egotistic of you, phil.

If by egotistic you mean efficient.

invisible trousers · May 20, 2005

Because as a genre it's boring and limiting.

Where is the christian jazz? Although I probably shouldn't listen to a lot of jazz since nearly every hard-bop artist was smoking the devil's weed at the time.

Christian funk? Probably doesn't exist.
Christian drum and bass/jungle/grime? Not here either.
Christian hip-hop? Forget it.

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