Why you . . .?

[KCKID]

Has anyone ever wondered why an all-powerful God would place the burden on one group of imperfect human beings to persistently warn other imperfect human beings (in this case homosexuals) of an impending fiery hell unless they repent of their (homosexual) sin and ‘change their ways’? Does the Great Commission (spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ) REALLY involve the condemnation of others and the preaching of ‘hell-fire’ toward another group of people whose only ‘sin’ (pertaining to THIS issue anyway) might be that they were born ‘different’?

Most – not all – of the anti-homosexuality posters on this forum come across in a most condescending, if not pious, manner. Their lack of knowledge in regard to the issue of homosexuality is most evident. The majority really don’t WANT to understand what it’s like to walk in the shoes of a homosexual person. I believe the majority are – well-meaning or not – religious bigots whose main mission in life seems to be to somehow win merit with God by slamming others with words from a book that THEY claim are the actual words of God. And, unfortunately, the majority of these people ARE the Christian majority!

Why were you – whoever YOU might be – given the task by God of putting the FEAR of God into a group of people called ‘homosexuals’ who never requested that label to begin with? Why were you – whoever YOU might be – called by God to highlight what YOU perceive to be the sins of others (in this case the perceived sin of ‘homosexuality’) while living in ‘sin’ yourselves? I really would like to know what YOU – whoever - feel that your ‘Christian calling’ is in regard to the condemnation of a group of people you don’t even know or even CARE to know by merely referencing an ancient book that was ALSO written by imperfect human beings whose life, culture, thoughts, language, intent, interpretation, etc. are foreign to most of us.

 

[texastig]

Has anyone ever wondered why an all-powerful God would place the burden on one group of imperfect human beings to persistently warn other imperfect human beings (in this case homosexuals) of an impending fiery hell unless they repent of their (homosexual) sin and ‘change their ways’?

God tells the Christians to give out the good news of the Gospel. Paul the Apostle who seen Jesus said this in Gal 5:19-21
Gal 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Gal 5:21
as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Does the Great Commission (spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ) REALLY involve the condemnation of others and the preaching of ‘hell-fire’ toward another group of people whose only ‘sin’ (pertaining to THIS issue anyway) might be that they were born ‘different’?

There is no proof that they are born different. If they were born that way then you wouldn't find verses in the Bible condemning it. Don't forget that John the Baptist preached to Herod about his sin of adultery with his brothers wife. Any sex outside of marriage is a sin.

Most – not all – of the anti-homosexuality posters on this forum come across in a most condescending, if not pious, manner. Their lack of knowledge in regard to the issue of homosexuality is most evident. The majority really don’t WANT to understand what it’s like to walk in the shoes of a homosexual person. I believe the majority are – well-meaning or not – religious bigots whose main mission in life seems to be to somehow win merit with God by slamming others with words from a book that THEY claim are the actual words of God. And, unfortunately, the majority of these people ARE the Christian majority!

There's even people who aren't Christians who are against homosexual acts and marriage. Twenty six states where the PEOPLE voted [and more to come] have condemned it. They don't want to see it in public, the tv or anywhere because it's nasty.
We tell the homosexuals that if they don't turn from their ways then they will suffer in Hell because they can't enter into the Kingdom of God as the BIBLE states. We love them enough to tell them the truth. We love them enough to tell them that their lifestyle is killing them.

Why were you – whoever YOU might be – given the task by God of putting the FEAR of God into a group of people called ‘homosexuals’ who never requested that label to begin with?

Because God tells us to reprove others of their sin. It just doesn't mean homosexuals only but others who sin. Sin separates us from God.

Why were you – whoever YOU might be – called by God to highlight what YOU perceive to be the sins of others (in this case the perceived sin of ‘homosexuality&#8217 while living in ‘sin’ yourselves? I really would like to know what YOU – whoever - feel that your ‘Christian calling’ is in regard to the condemnation of a group of people you don’t even know or even CARE to know by merely referencing an ancient book that was ALSO written by imperfect human beings whose life, culture, thoughts, language, intent, interpretation, etc. are foreign to most of us.

We have to tell the truth of God to others. If we don't then we are held accountable for not saying anything.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Has anyone ever wondered why an all-powerful God would place the burden on one group of imperfect human beings to persistently warn other imperfect human beings (in this case homosexuals) of an impending fiery hell unless they repent of their (homosexual) sin and ‘change their ways’?

You must understand, we all have our crosses to bear, and good news to send out. It's not a burden, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. All sin is to be condemned, all sin is to be repented. It is our call as Christians. This area...is designated specifically for this sin, as there is disagreement on it's sinfulness. I wish it wasn't, really. But I must trust in the Lord.

Does the Great Commission (spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ) REALLY involve the condemnation of others and the preaching of ‘hell-fire’ toward another group of people whose only ‘sin’ (pertaining to THIS issue anyway) might be that they were born ‘different’?

I don't think it's being born "different", I don't think people are born into their sexualities, though I don't think we can just "choose" them. Nobody condemns for orientation, the most I see is people saying they do when they don't. I was born differently too, I've been whined at because I won't "be fruitful and multiply" and pretty much cannot tell anyone gay or straight because they don't understand. The great commission involves spreading the good news to those who need to hear it. This isn't really the Great commission, but a church issue.

[Most – not all – of the anti-homosexuality posters on this forum come across in a most condescending, if not pious, manner. Their lack of knowledge in regard to the issue of homosexuality is most evident.

In my view, you're lying. Most people here are quite knowledgeable of the scriptures, they just don't accept your interpretation.

The majority really don’t WANT to understand what it’s like to walk in the shoes of a homosexual person.

I can't understand what it is to be sexual at all. But onto your point, you cannot say such things, because we are all sinners, and all know what it is like to sin, and be "sinners". I'm sure many of us could imagine and understand what it's like for your case too.

I believe the majority are – well-meaning or not – religious bigots whose main mission in life seems to be to somehow win merit with God by slamming others with words from a book that THEY claim are the actual words of God. And, unfortunately, the majority of these people ARE the Christian majority!

You're right on one thing, most of us here are here to gain the approval of God, and there is nothing wrong with that. But religious bigots? Main mission in life is to condemn you? Really, do you know how this comes off? We're not allowed to believe the bible anymore?

Why were you – whoever YOU might be – given the task by God of putting the FEAR of God into a group of people called ‘homosexuals’ who never requested that label to begin with? Why were you – whoever YOU might be – called by God to highlight what YOU perceive to be the sins of others (in this case the perceived sin of ‘homosexuality’) while living in ‘sin’ yourselves? I really would like to know what YOU – whoever - feel that your ‘Christian calling’ is in regard to the condemnation of a group of people you don’t even know or even CARE to know by merely referencing an ancient book that was ALSO written by imperfect human beings whose life, culture, thoughts, language, intent, interpretation, etc. are foreign to most of us.

I do not live in sin! I live in Christ, and he in me! And I won't let you or anyone else here say any different! This IS a Christian forum you know, that "ancient book" contains the gospel, which saved me, and that saved you! It is much more than some lame Jewish stories. I don't condemn homosexuals or heterosexuals for their temptations, but I do condemn sin, and so does the Lord. I am not called to condemn things that are not sin..

 

[Hentenza]

Has anyone ever wondered why an all-powerful God would place the burden on one group of imperfect human beings to persistently warn other imperfect human beings (in this case homosexuals) of an impending fiery hell unless they repent of their (homosexual) sin and ‘change their ways’? Does the Great Commission (spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ) REALLY involve the condemnation of others and the preaching of ‘hell-fire’ toward another group of people whose only ‘sin’ (pertaining to THIS issue anyway) might be that they were born ‘different’?

Most – not all – of the anti-homosexuality posters on this forum come across in a most condescending, if not pious, manner. Their lack of knowledge in regard to the issue of homosexuality is most evident. The majority really don’t WANT to understand what it’s like to walk in the shoes of a homosexual person. I believe the majority are – well-meaning or not – religious bigots whose main mission in life seems to be to somehow win merit with God by slamming others with words from a book that THEY claim are the actual words of God. And, unfortunately, the majority of these people ARE the Christian majority!

Why were you – whoever YOU might be – given the task by God of putting the FEAR of God into a group of people called ‘homosexuals’ who never requested that label to begin with? Why were you – whoever YOU might be – called by God to highlight what YOU perceive to be the sins of others (in this case the perceived sin of ‘homosexuality’) while living in ‘sin’ yourselves? I really would like to know what YOU – whoever - feel that your ‘Christian calling’ is in regard to the condemnation of a group of people you don’t even know or even CARE to know by merely referencing an ancient book that was ALSO written by imperfect human beings whose life, culture, thoughts, language, intent, interpretation, etc. are foreign to most of us.

No, the preaching of the gospel was "just do as you please as long as it feels good? Never mind the admonitions of Paul and Peter.

 

[KCKID]

I appreciate what others have so far had to say. It would be nice to hear more. Thanks.

 

[BreadAlone]

I agree with the fact that many people seem to preach condemnation out of something other than love, when the simple love of Christ is necessary.

However, to cite the Great Commission which YOU BROUGHT UP:

"Go and make diciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you."

Christ, as God from all eternity, has commanded us not to engage in homosexuality.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. Matt 5 :11-12

 

[BigBadWlf]

There is no proof that they are born different.

Actually there is quite a lot of proof saying just that.
However there is no proof that homosexuality is a choice or the result of how one was raised, or the relationship one had with either parent, or the result of childhood sexual trauma, or the result of ‘recruitment’…If you know of published peer reviewed studies providing evidence for these things please share them with us all…In fact post them in the “why are some people gay thread. Thousands of posts there and no one has posted any such studies for these reasons
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There's even people who aren't Christians who are against homosexual acts and marriage. Twenty six states where the PEOPLE voted [and more to come] have condemned it. They don't want to see it in public, the tv or anywhere because it's nasty.

Just as most states had laws enforcing segregation, laws barring interracial marriage, laws baring women from owning property, laws allowing voting discrimination, laws to sterilize and euthanize “imperfect” children.

The laws you refer to are just more of the same

We tell the homosexuals that if they don't turn from their ways then they will suffer in Hell because they can't enter into the Kingdom of God as the BIBLE states. We love them enough to tell them the truth. We love them enough to tell them that their lifestyle is killing them.

George Orwell would be prod of this double speak…If you would just lie about who you are and who you love you will get into heaven because lying is not a sin, and if you were to lie I could pretend you didn’t exist and I wouldn’t have to attack you like this.
George Orwell would be prod of this double speak…If you would just lie about who you are and who you love you will get into heaven because lying is not a sin, and if you were to lie I could pretend you didn’t exist and I wouldn’t have to attack you like this
I am reminded of a good number of in the old south in the 1950’s saying much the same thing about blacks…if they would just stay in their rightful place, nobofdy likes an uppity N-word…

Because God tells us to reprove others of their sin. It just doesn't mean homosexuals only but others who sin. Sin separates us from God.

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." John 13:34-35

consider yoruself reproved

 

[BigBadWlf]

[/color][/size][/font]You must understand, we all have our crosses to bear, and good news to send out. It's not a burden, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. All sin is to be condemned, all sin is to be repented. It is our call as Christians. This area...is designated specifically for this sin, as there is disagreement on it's sinfulness. I wish it wasn't, really. But I must trust in the Lord. [/color][/size][/font]I don't think it's being born "different", I don't think people are born into their sexualities, though I don't think we can just "choose" them. Nobody condemns for orientation, the most I see is people saying they do when they don't. I was born differently too, I've been whined at because I won't "be fruitful and multiply" and pretty much cannot tell anyone gay or straight because they don't understand. The great commission involves spreading the good news to those who need to hear it. This isn't really the Great commission, but a church issue.
In my view, you're lying. Most people here are quite knowledgeable of the scriptures, they just don't accept your interpretation.I can't understand what it is to be sexual at all. But onto your point, you cannot say such things, because we are all sinners, and all know what it is like to sin, and be "sinners". I'm sure many of us could imagine and understand what it's like for your case too. [/color][/size][/font]You're right on one thing, most of us here are here to gain the approval of God, and there is nothing wrong with that. But religious bigots? Main mission in life is to condemn you? Really, do you know how this comes off? We're not allowed to believe the bible anymore?

I do not live in sin! I live in Christ, and he in me! And I won't let you or anyone else here say any different! This IS a Christian forum you know, that "ancient book" contains the gospel, which saved me, and that saved you! It is much more than some lame Jewish stories. I don't condemn homosexuals or heterosexuals for their temptations, but I do condemn sin, and so does the Lord. I am not called to condemn things that are not sin..

The cross our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters bares is not their sexual orientation. it is the hatred, the lies and the prejudice that so many Christians heap upon them

 

[Apollo Celestio]

The cross our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters bares is not their sexual orientation. it is the hatred, the lies and the prejudice that so many Christians heap upon them

No, it's not. Prejudice, hate, and lies are not their own sin. The way I meant "cross" is meaning our own sins. Our unlawful sexual desires I consider temptation, and that would be our "cross".

 

[BigBadWlf]

No, it's not. Prejudice, hate, and lies are not their own sin. The way I meant "cross" is meaning our own sins. Our unlawful sexual desires I consider temptation, and that would be our "cross".

The prejudice and lies and the hatred so many Christians heap on our gay and lesbian brother’s and sisters is their burden. Much as racism in a burden for people of color and anti-semitism is a burden for Jews and so on.

All things considered they handle it all very well showing for the most part love and forgiveness and patience….they are brave individuals exemplifying the ideals of Christianity far better than most Christians do.

 

[BreadAlone]

The prejudice and lies and the hatred so many Christians heap on our gay and lesbian brother’s and sisters is their burden.

Firstly, I have no "gay and lesbian" brothers and sisters. MY brethren in Christ are new Creations, people belonging to God. There is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, slave nor free among us. We are all in Christ and Christ is in us. We are one in the Spirit, and we sin no more. (Of course, we have a dual natured personality-our sinful side is still there with this new Creation-but you get my point.)

Any brother/sister of mine does not unrepentantly engage in ANYTHING contrary to God's good, holy, and perfect will.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear KCKID,

Has anyone ever wondered why an all-powerful God would place the burden on one group of imperfect human beings to persistently warn other imperfect human beings (in this case homosexuals)

No I havent wondered and nor would I as God disnt create homosexuals or heterosexuals, He created man and woman, homosexuals and heterosexuals just describe the sexual attractions of people

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear BigBadwlf,
BreadAlone is absolutely right., God didnt create gays and lesbians, He created men and women. As there is no division of male and female in Christ of what God did create (Gal 3, Col 3) you can be sure there is no division ofd what God didnt create.
Some of the reasoning you and some others put forward is nothing to do with Jesus Christ or Christianity, its the opposite.

 

[Polycarp1]

Firstly, I have no "gay and lesbian" brothers and sisters. MY brethren in Christ are new Creations, people belonging to God. There is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, slave nor free among us. We are all in Christ and Christ is in us. We are one in the Spirit, and we sin no more. (Of course, we have a dual natured personality-our sinful side is still there with this new Creation-but you get my point.)

Any brother/sister of mine does not unrepentantly engage in ANYTHING contrary to God's good, holy, and perfect will.

Luke 18:9-14

Which role do you see yourself in?

 

[KCKID]

Most – not all – of the anti-homosexuality posters on this forum come across in a most condescending, if not pious, manner. Their lack of knowledge in regard to the issue of homosexuality is most evident.

In my view, you're lying. Most people here are quite knowledgeable of the scriptures, they just don't accept your interpretation.

I'm not sure how or why I'm lying, Ishida. I said: Their (the posters on this forum) lack of knowledge in regard to the issue of homosexuality is most evident. I said nothing about anyone's knowledge - or the lack of - in regard to the Bible. Obviously you misread what I said.

 

[BreadAlone]

Luke 18:9-14

Which role do you see yourself in?

Obviously the repentant one. If homosexuals would say the same thing, then there'd be no issue here.

 

[IamRedeemed]

I concur with this post.

God tells the Christians to give out the good news of the Gospel. Paul the Apostle who seen Jesus said this in Gal 5:19-21
Gal 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Gal 5:21
as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.



There is no proof that they are born different. If they were born that way then you wouldn't find verses in the Bible condemning it. Don't forget that John the Baptist preached to Herod about his sin of adultery with his brothers wife. Any sex outside of marriage is a sin.



There's even people who aren't Christians who are against homosexual acts and marriage. Twenty six states where the PEOPLE voted [and more to come] have condemned it. They don't want to see it in public, the tv or anywhere because it's nasty.
We tell the homosexuals that if they don't turn from their ways then they will suffer in Hell because they can't enter into the Kingdom of God as the BIBLE states. We love them enough to tell them the truth. We love them enough to tell them that their lifestyle is killing them.


Because God tells us to reprove others of their sin. It just doesn't mean homosexuals only but others who sin. Sin separates us from God.



We have to tell the truth of God to others. If we don't then we are held accountable for not saying anything.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Polycarp1
It is not for us to judge one-another, judge what is right against the truth of Jesus Christ's teaching. Righteousness is found in Jesus Christ alone, if one promotes something God has named a sin, such as same-sex sex, I cant see how one can't be much more like the Pharisee than the tax collector as the tax collector knew what sin was.

 

[KCKID]

Dear Polycarp1
It is not for us to judge one-another, judge what is right against the truth of Jesus Christ's teaching. Righteousness is found in Jesus Christ alone, if one promotes something God has named a sin, such as same-sex sex, I cant see how one can't be much more like the Pharisee than the tax collector as the tax collector knew what sin was.

In one breath you mention Jesus, in the next God, then it's back to Jesus again. If righteousness is found in Jesus Christ alone and His word is that by which we set our standards then homosexuality is not an issue since Jesus was silent about it. And by the way, sodomy is the alleged 'sin', NOT homosexuality per se. NOR same-sex sex minus the act of sodomy.

When are people going to catch on?