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<blockquote data-quote="grmorton" data-source="post: 19956441" data-attributes="member: 85112"><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Recently someone on some list threw the Lake Walensee 'varves' at me as evidence that geological estimates of the age of the earth are wrong. The basic concept comes from places like this:</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">"However, Lambert and Hsu have presented evidence from a Swiss lake that these varve-layers form rapidly by catastrophic, turbid water underflows. At one location five couplets of these 'varves' formed during a single year." Ken Ham, Andrew Snelling and Carl Wieland, The Answers Book, (El Cajon: Master Books, 1990), p. 51. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">A lake in Switzerland, which was thought to accumulate one lamina pair each year, was shown to accumulate up to five laminae pairs per year, by a rapid, turbid-water, underflow process. One layer within the Swiss lake dates from the year 1811, but was observed in 1971 to be buried beneath 300 to 360 varvelike silt laminae." Steven A. Austin, "Interpreting Strata of Grand Canyon," in Steven A. Austin, editor, Grand Canyon: A Monument to Catastrophe, (Santee: Inst. for Creation Research, 1994), p. 38. </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Attached is a photo from that paper showing the VAST difference between the Lake Walensee layers (which are storm layers) compared to actual VARVE layers. Anyone, even a YEC leader like Ham or Austin ought to be able to see the difference, but, they report to their followers that Walensee is identical to varve deposits. This simply isn't so. and this is why one should not trust what the YEC leaders tell you about geology. They won't tell you the truth, but pictures will.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">The picture is from Lambert and Hsu, "Non-Annual cycles of varve-like Sedimentation in Lake Walensee, Switzerland," Sedimentology, 26(1979): 460</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">One would think Austin and Ham only read the title of the article and didn't actually look at the pictures.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="grmorton, post: 19956441, member: 85112"] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]Recently someone on some list threw the Lake Walensee 'varves' at me as evidence that geological estimates of the age of the earth are wrong. The basic concept comes from places like this:[/font][/size] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]"However, Lambert and Hsu have presented evidence from a Swiss lake that these varve-layers form rapidly by catastrophic, turbid water underflows. At one location five couplets of these 'varves' formed during a single year." Ken Ham, Andrew Snelling and Carl Wieland, The Answers Book, (El Cajon: Master Books, 1990), p. 51. [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]A lake in Switzerland, which was thought to accumulate one lamina pair each year, was shown to accumulate up to five laminae pairs per year, by a rapid, turbid-water, underflow process. One layer within the Swiss lake dates from the year 1811, but was observed in 1971 to be buried beneath 300 to 360 varvelike silt laminae." Steven A. Austin, "Interpreting Strata of Grand Canyon," in Steven A. Austin, editor, Grand Canyon: A Monument to Catastrophe, (Santee: Inst. for Creation Research, 1994), p. 38. [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]Attached is a photo from that paper showing the VAST difference between the Lake Walensee layers (which are storm layers) compared to actual VARVE layers. Anyone, even a YEC leader like Ham or Austin ought to be able to see the difference, but, they report to their followers that Walensee is identical to varve deposits. This simply isn't so. and this is why one should not trust what the YEC leaders tell you about geology. They won't tell you the truth, but pictures will.[/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]The picture is from Lambert and Hsu, "Non-Annual cycles of varve-like Sedimentation in Lake Walensee, Switzerland," Sedimentology, 26(1979): 460[/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]One would think Austin and Ham only read the title of the article and didn't actually look at the pictures.[/font][/size] [/QUOTE]
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