Why would the world mourns when they see Jesus appears in the clouds ?

[R. Hartono]

Why would the world mourns when they see Jesus coming in the clouds ?
Wouldnt it be good if Jesus returns to the earth to rule the world ?

Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

THE WORLD WILL ABSOLUTELY MOURN AS THEY ARE NOT THE PART OF THE SAINTS GATHERED IN THE CLOUD.

1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord.

THE SAINTS GATHERED IN THE CLOUD ARE THE WISE VIRGINS TAKEN TO THE FEAST OF THE LAMB.

The world mourns are the foolish virgins
Matt 25:11 ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’
They will mourn after being left by Jesus, asking to be taken as well

12 “But He replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

Matt 24:40 At that time two men will be working in a field: one will be taken away, the other will be left behind.

THE SUN WILL STILL BE SHINING (PEOPLE WORK ON THE FIELD DURING DAYLIGHT) WHEN SEPARATION TAKES PLACE !

Cha kutumaini sina, My hope is built on nothing less
ila damu yake Bwana but the blood of the Lord
Sina wema wa kutosha, dhambi zangu kuziosha I'm not good, my sins are much

Kwake Yesu nasimama, ndiye Mwamba ni salama Where Jesus stands
Ndiye Mwamba ni salama, ndiye Mwamba ni salama The Rock is safe

Damu yake na sadaka, nategemea daima His blod and sacrifice i always depend on
Yote chini yakiisha, Mwokozi atanitosha. When all is finished the saviour is sufficient

Njia yangu iwe ndefu, My way is long
Yeye hunipa wokovu He gives me Salvation
Mawimbi yakinipiga, Though waves hit me
nguvu zake ndiyo nanga His power is my anchor

Nikiitwa hukumuni, rohoni nina amani If i'm called in judgment
Nikivikwa haki yake, sina hofu mbele yake I'll be in peace be4 Him.

 

[PesachPup]

Why would the world mourns when they see Jesus coming in the clouds ?
Wouldnt it be good if Jesus returns to the earth to rule the world ?

Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

THE WORLD WILL ABSOLUTELY MOURN AS THEY ARE NOT THE PART OF THE SAINTS GATHERED IN THE CLOUD.

1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord.

THE SAINTS GATHERED IN THE CLOUD ARE THE WISE VIRGINS TAKEN TO THE FEAST OF THE LAMB.

The world mourns are the foolish virgins
Matt 25:11 ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’
They will mourn after being left by Jesus, asking to be taken as well

12 “But He replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

It is not "the world" that mourns on that day, but "the tribes", as in the tribes of Israel. The same word is found in Rev 1:7, but the KJV translated it as kindreds, but it is the exact same word in Greek.
There is the same thought found in Zechariah:
*[[Zec 12:10]] KJV* And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
*[[Zec 12:11]] KJV* In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
This is referring to the people mourning for king Josiah, slain in the valley of Megiddo when he went out to fight against Pharaoh Necho. Also we have this:

*[[Isa 61:2]] KJV* To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that MOURN;
*[[Isa 61:3]] KJV* To appoint unto them that MOURN in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for MOURNING, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
The PuP

 

[BABerean2]

*[[Zec 12:10]] KJV* And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
*[[Zec 12:11]] KJV* In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

When was the Spirit poured out and they mourned for the one they had "pierced" (crucified) ?

Act 2:1 And , they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound frowhen the day of Pentecost was fully comem heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:


Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

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[PesachPup]

When was the Spirit poured out and they mourned for the one they had "pierced" (crucified) ?

Act 2:1 And , they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound frowhen the day of Pentecost was fully comem heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:


Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

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The demonstration of the spirits outpouring is truly what will take place in the last days as recorded in Joel:
*[[Joe 2:27]] KJV* And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and THAT I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
*[[Joe 2:28]] KJV* And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

THE children of Israel, in the last days will be gathered back to the land to experience the fury and wrath of God; scattered to the 4 winds of earth; gathered back to the wilderness; where the rebels will be purged; meet with God face to face in the wilderness; then enter the promised land; loathe themselves (repent and mourn) for their iniquities; be the recipients of the outpouring of the spirit; and enter into the new covenant with the Lord; ALL IN THAT ORDER. I would refer you to read Ezekiel 20 for the complete package of events.
*[[Eze 20:34]] KJV* And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
*[[Eze 20:35]] KJV* And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
*[[Eze 20:36]] KJV* Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD...
*[[Eze 20:38]] KJV* And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and YE SHALL KNOW THAT I AM THE LORD.
*[[Eze 20:40]] KJV* For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things...
*[[Eze 20:42]] KJV* And YE SHALL KNOW THAT I AM THE LORD, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to your fathers...
*[[Eze 20:43]] KJV* And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled; and ye shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed.
*[[Eze 20:44]] KJV* And YE SHALL KNOW l THAT I AM THE LORD, when I have wrought with you for my name's sake, not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

*[[Eze 39:27]] KJV* When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
*[[Eze 39:28]] KJV* THEN SHALL THEY KNOW THAT I AM THE LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
*[[Eze 39:29]] KJV* Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

The outpouring of his spirit upon them will be one of the last things to happen to them before Armageddon.

The PuP

 

[BABerean2]

The demonstration of the spirits outpouring is truly what will take place in the last days as recorded in Joel:
*[[Joe 2:27]] KJV* And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and THAT I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
*[[Joe 2:28]] KJV* And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


Peter said it happened on the Day of Pentecost.

Dispensational Futurism is a doctrine of ignorance, because it only works by ignoring certain passages of scripture.

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[R. Hartono]

It is not "the world" that mourns on that day, but "the tribes", as in the tribes of Israel.

All the tribes of the earth speaks about the whole world consists of nations.
Matt 24:30 and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,

 

[PesachPup]

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


Peter said it happened on the Day of Pentecost.

Dispensational Futurism is a doctrine of ignorance, because it only works by ignoring certain passages of scripture.

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He didn't say "this is the last days", but rather this is what you will see and experience in the last days, accompanied by signs in the sun and moon, but most notably after the time when God's voice shall shake the heavens and the earth, one more time. The book of Hebrews, written well after the outpouring of the spirit in acts 2, says that it will take place ONCE, and only once more.

*[[Joe 2:27]] KJV* And ye shall KNOW THAT I am in the midst of Israel, and that I AM THE LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
*[[Joe 2:28]] KJV* And it shall come to pass AFTERWARD, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
AFTER what? For one, when they come to know him personally, as in a saving faith. And secondly, as i said, after his voice shakes the heavens and the earth.

*[[Joe 2:11]] KJV* And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

This ties to Hebrews 12:
*[[Heb 12:26]] KJV* Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet ONCE more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

Just so that there is no question,

*[[Joe 3:16]] KJV* The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
*[[Amo 1:2]] KJV* And he said, The LORD will roar from Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the habitations of the shepherds shall mourn, and the top of Carmel shall wither.

*[[Jer 25:29]] KJV* For, lo, I BEGIN to bring evil on the CITY which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
*[[Jer 25:30]] KJV* Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his VOICE from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth.
This future judgment upon Jerusalem is directly tied to the day when he shall utter his voice from Jerusalem and shake the heavens and the earth, and AFTERWARDS, pour out his spirit on the whole house of Israel, all of them.

The PuP

 

[BABerean2]

He didn't say "this is the last days",

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

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[PesachPup]

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon ALL flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

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So when Peter said:
*[[Act 2:16]] KJV* But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Was he referring to signs in the sun moon and stars? No. Peter was answering their question to what was being spoken and heard. The manifest baptism of the holy spirit. The "last days" outpouring of the spirit follows and will be followed by, signs in the heavens. Up to the time that Peter began to preach, there is no association of things that happened (signs) with the crucifixion, on their part. This was all about the men that looked like they were drunk at the third hour. Peter began his preaching there by saying "in the last days" rather than what Joel said "afterward". He knew it was not the last days because, because Joel is all about the restoration of the kingdom:

*[[Joe 2:32]] KJV* And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Not but a few weeks prior, Jesus said to them, that the kingdom would not be restored to Israel at that time. Was the spirit poured out on ALL who were present at that time? Unequivocally no. He recognized this in response to Jesus's words, "you shall be baptized with the HOLY GHOST". He knew that this was not the last days. But her knew that this is the same SPIRIT that would be manifest in the last days. These words that peter spoke follows scripture that says that God would remove the northern army from them.
*[[Joe 2:20]] KJV* But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.

There was no attacking army at that time. Peter was a very effective evangelist and chose his words wisely. Calling upon the Lord and being saved is not about a response to fear of what is going to, or has happened, but was about:

*[[Act 2:38]] KJV* Then Peter said unto them, REPENT, and BE BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This wasn't about coming judgment, but the coming salvation that God was making available to all who would call upon the LORD thru repentance and baptism.

The PuP

 

[BABerean2]

So when Peter said:
*[[Act 2:16]] KJV* But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Was he referring to signs in the sun moon and stars? No. Peter was answering their question to what was being spoken and heard. The manifest baptism of the holy spirit. The "last days" outpouring of the spirit follows and will be followed by, signs in the heavens. Up to the time that Peter began to preach, there is no association of things that happened (signs) with the crucifixion, on their part. This was all about the men that looked like they were drunk at the third hour. Peter began his preaching there by saying "in the last days" rather than what Joel said "afterward". He knew it was not the last days because, because Joel is all about the restoration of the kingdom:

*[[Joe 2:32]] KJV* And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Not but a few weeks prior, Jesus said to them, that the kingdom would not be restored to Israel at that time. Was the spirit poured out on ALL who were present at that time? Unequivocally no. He recognized this in response to Jesus's words, "you shall be baptized with the HOLY GHOST". He knew that this was not the last days. But her knew that this is the same SPIRIT that would be manifest in the last days. These words that peter spoke follows scripture that says that God would remove the northern army from them.
*[[Joe 2:20]] KJV* But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.

There was no attacking army at that time. Peter was a very effective evangelist and chose his words wisely. Calling upon the Lord and being saved is not about a response to fear of what is going to, or has happened, but was about:

*[[Act 2:38]] KJV* Then Peter said unto them, REPENT, and BE BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This wasn't about coming judgment, but the coming salvation that God was making available to all who would call upon the LORD thru repentance and baptism.

The PuP

Once a person comes to realize that the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found fulfilled by Christ during the century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the New Covenant Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, the Two Peoples of God doctrine falls apart.

On the Day of Pentecost about 3,000 of "all the house of Israel" from Acts 2:36 accepted Christ and became a part of the New Covenant Church.


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[ewq1938]

Why would the world mourns when they see Jesus coming in the clouds ?

Because they followed a different Jesus but when they see the real Jesus return they will know they are in trouble.

 

[R. Hartono]

Because they followed a different Jesus but when they see the real Jesus return they will know they are in trouble.

Who is that different Jesus they are following ? do you mean the other religion who doesnt believe in Jesus's resurrection and never glorify Father, Son and Holy Spirit ?

 

[ewq1938]

Who is that different Jesus they are following ?

The Antichrist.

 

[R. Hartono]

Because they followed a different Jesus but when they see the real Jesus return they will know they are in trouble.

I guess most people of the world will mourn when they view Jesus coming in the clouds because they do not believe the Bible and do not seek God as we can see around us. Is there any people speaking about Gospel with admiration around us ? They are not interested.