Why would God create a flawed creation? (2)

Dave Ellis · Mar 3, 2015

agua said:
Mediating sin is a different question than creating humans perfect, or above harm etc. I'd like to stay with the perfection subject, for now.

Ok good let's assess the instilling of a desire to follow all His rules. Can you give me an idea of how this would look ie. are you suggesting Yahweh could have created humans with the inability to disobey ? ( I will add an interesting point that the period of testing of the Saints, born again humans, is to strengthen their desire to follow Yahweh's rules through various methods. )

A desire to obey does not mean they have an inability to disobey.

For example, I have a desire to not purposefully set myself on fire. I could in theory choose to set myself on fire, however that will never happen in reality.

Likewise, god could have made the exact same situation where sin was concerned. Breaking the rules would have been as undesirable as setting ourselves on fire. While we could in theory still make that choice, in reality nobody would.

(leaving out mentally ill people and self-immolating protestors to simplify the argument)

Dave Ellis · Mar 3, 2015

Messy said:
When I was just saved I was so mad at God that He didn't give that poor devil another chance, then he came to haunt me and I didn't care anymore lol.

Who, god or the devil?

grasping the after wind · Mar 3, 2015

I really do not have the time to read through all the preceding discussion but i will answer the question. Pardon me if this is redundant .
1) So he could love you. You and I would not exist if perfection was all there was.
2) Perfection already existed. One, even God, cannot create that which already exists. To create one must do something new.
So if God is to create at all, He, of necessity, must create something imperfect. And if He is to a have an object for his love He must create. So either He creates imperfection and by so doing creates the circumstance in which love is possible or He creates nothing and love is not an option.

ananda · Mar 3, 2015

grasping the after wind said:
I really do not have the time to read through all the preceding discussion but i will answer the question. Pardon me if this is redundant .
1) So he could love you. You and I would not exist if perfection was all there was.
2) Perfection already existed. One, even God, cannot create that which already exists. To create one must do something new.
So if God is to create at all, He, of necessity, must create something imperfect. And if He is to a have an object for his love He must create. So either He creates imperfection and by so doing creates the circumstance in which love is possible or He creates nothing and love is not an option.

Do you believe in a perfect heavenly afterlife?

Dave Ellis · Mar 3, 2015

kristina411 said:
What argument? That you are taking away from a metaphor that which is not there? Now, had it been an analogy... Nope not even then.

You can pull whatever you want out of thin air, doesn't make it real. It does however show that you are precisely what the bible refers to as "swine" "wicked and adulterous" "brood of vipers" it all applies, there for I will not cast anything for you to try and trample on.

The personal attack was accusing me of some deep seeded meaning in a simple metaphor, the rest... Well I call it as I see it. Sugar coating does no good for anyone. People need to see the swine for what they are.

God is holy, God is love, God is perfect. Whatever else you have to say is useless and therefore I will not respond.

I am normally much more kind and just drop it and perhaps I should. Thing is, God doesn't tell us to hide from people like you. So I wont, I just wont waste time speaking truth with those who only recognize lies.

Personal attack? I didn't personally attack you over anything. You just called me swine, a viper, wicked, adulterous, etc because I pointed out your position implies something you didn't intend for it to mean.

And I note you STILL haven't shown where my argument fails, you're just lashing out at me with more attacks. If you want to "preach truth" and call out "people like me" then how about you try doing something honest and back up your words.

PreachersWife2004 · Mar 3, 2015

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