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Why women's rights are wrong
Posted: August 8, 2005
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© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

The greatest media scribe of these latter days, Bill Simmons, is known for a certain pithy mantra. "The lesson, as always: Women ruin everything." While one does not usually expect to find deep sociological truths in the sports pages, so great has been the degradation of the acerbic art once known as the editorial, so filled with fear are the vanilla-minded commentators, that one finds more veracity on a single page of ESPN than in opinion pages of the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal combined.

Now, at this point, it is customary for women to immediately reject any assertion that women's rights are wrong as the Talibanistic ranting of an embittered man who has been denied ready access to attractive women's bodies. In the interest of dismissing this red herring, I merely note that few men fortunate enough to possess a turbo Porsche and a record contract at 23 have any reason to be bitter about the hand that life has dealt them.

In fact, I very much like women and wish them well, which is precisely why I consider women's rights to be a disease that should be eradicated. For what is rather more difficult to dismiss are the simple and easily verifiable facts that indicate women have seldom been less able to pursue their dreams and less able to achieve their desires than today, the Golden Age of Feminism.

Consider the two great laments of the modern American woman. For the unmarried woman, it is the reality that she must marry later in life than ever before, if she is able to marry at all. For the married woman, it is that unlike generations of women before her, she cannot afford to stay home with her children unless she is fortunate enough to have married to a man of the financial elite.

Both of these developments can be traced directly to women's rights. Men's increasing unwillingness to marry stems primarily from two causes -- the feminized family court system that transformed marriage from a mutually beneficial contract into a financial and emotional liability, and the removal of paternal responsibility for the sexual behavior of young women. Ergo, the need for marriage has been eliminated while its liabilities have increased. As Blue America and de-Christianizing Europe increasingly show, in the absence of religion there is now very little impetus for marriage.

And few indeed are the women who understand that their present need to work is inextricably tied to the societal expectation that they will do so. When women began to enter the work force en masse in the latter half of the 20th century, the overall supply of labor increased, obviously. As per the iron law of supply and demand, over the last 60 years, this increase in supply has somewhat outstripped the growth in the economy and the attendant demand for labor, which is why real wages are still lower in 2005 than in 1973. Combined with the ever-increasing tax burden, this decline in real wages is why both husband and wife must now work when previously the husband's labor alone would have sufficed.

(The decline in wages would be much more obvious to the casual observer if men had not begun retiring earlier at the same time women entered the work force. To state that young women are working today so their grandfathers can play golf is reasonable shorthand for what happened.)

But the greatest evil of women's rights is demographic. Europe's demise is all but assured, thanks to them, as women's individual choices taken in the collective have stricken European society and brought on successive waves of feminist-friendly Islamic immigration by reducing Europe's birth rates far below replacement levels. And women's-rights advocates are now finding themselves in an ironic intellectual bind, as the onset of sex selection technology has them arguing that while a woman has a right to choose abortion, she can only do so for approved reasons.

This is because scientists are estimating that there are 100 million women missing from India and China and as the technology becomes cheaper and more widespread, this rate of loss is increasing. A U.N. official named Khalid Malik has warned that at present birth rates, with only 826 girls born per 1,000 boys, China will be missing 60 million more women within a decade. And in India, when a family already has two girls, a third pregnancy results in 78 percent of unborn girl babies being aborted.

The women of America would do well to consider whether their much-cherished gains of the right to vote, work, murder and freely fornicate are worth destroying marriage, children, civilized Western society and little girls. They can at least console themselves with the thought that, in the long run, it doesn't matter what they do, because the women's-rights ideology is an evolutionary dead end, and it is increasingly apparent that societies embracing it will not survive.

In the end, it's not that hard to understand. A little girl who is not born will never vote, work or raise a little girl of her own.

-Vox Day

Correction (from Vox Popoli):

In the unlikely event that anyone wants facts

It turns out my column today was slightly inaccurate. Weekly real wages peaked in 1972, not 1973 as I wrote, at $331.59 (in 1982 dollars), which equals an annual salary of $34,979.36 in 2005. In the last 32 years, wages have declined 16.3 percent to an annual salary level of 29,280.68. This long-term decline resumed again in 2004, as the Congressional Joint Economic Committee reported that real wages declined another .4 percent last year despite the economic recovery.*

Meanwhile, the average married women's contribution to family income has increased from 26.7 percent to 35.2 percent in the same time frame, a 31.8 percent increase. In other words, fully half of a wife's contribution to household income is eaten up by the decline in wages, which stems from the increase in the labor supply.

From 1973 to 2004, the percentage of women working rose from 44.7 percent to 59.2 percent. The effects of this increase were obviated somewhat by the declining percentage of men who worked, from 78.8 percent to 73.3 percent. The reason that this effect is a generally negative one is that unlike in the case of immigration, these new workers were already consumers, so they did not bring the concomitant increase in consumption (and demand for labor) that immigrants do. Considering that this had a definite effect on the number of children being raised, it should probably be characterized as a net demand-reducing development.

*The situation is actually worse than it looks here because the Federal Reserve's CPI manipulations seriously underestimate inflation and therefore the true decline in real wages and purchasing power is greater than these statistics would indicate. But we have to work with the tools available to us.

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As a female...

I don't subscribe to the "burning of the bras" type of feminism. I also think Affirmative Action in the long run did more harm than good. Personally, I rather work with men, than women.

That being said, equal job, equal pay - no exceptions, no excuses. If a female can do a better job, the female should be hired and paid accordingly. No matter what kind of spin men want to make on the situation, there are females who can do just a good of a job, if not better in pretty much every occupation. Further, they bring a different perspective and way of thinking to the table that can only make an approach to a task more rounded.

Interesting about the end of the article regarding numbers of jobs that men and women are in, and wage percentages - is it trying to say that women are pushing men out of the workforce?

What I find most interesting, is that it kind of mirrors what's going on in the legal field as a whole. Currently, there are less jobs for lawyers, but more jobs for paralegals. The reasoning is cost effectiveness. It is more cost effective to give more "non legal advice" tasks to paralegals. Traditionally, there are more male lawyers than female (though schools are graduating at 50/50 right now). There is a much higher percentage of female paralegals than male. Because the importance of what we do is gaining, our wages are also rising (for example, I make more than a few lawyers I know) - as is the level of education required (for example, I have a BA, and most paralegals I know have at least an AAS). When you look at the numbers in the legal field alone, it certainly looks like the number of women in general is rising, and the number of men is declining. With percentates regarding wages, it does look like the wages women make compared to men are rising - there are more female paralegals, and they are getting paid more - it doesn't have to do with specific male/female dominance issues that could be due to female influence, but the types of jobs needed, and who is willing to work them. Many women in other fields are getting hired on as paralegals because of their experience in the field they were in, and how it can contribute to whatever kind of law the firm is practicing (e.g. engineers in an IP firm). Men usually don't want to be in the legal field unless they are in it as a lawyer. Women are less picky. You can't exactly blame women or the sexual revolution for this. It's purely supply and demand.
 
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Some women have to work if they aren't married or have kids and no husband either by divorce or some other means. I'm lucky I got to stay home with the kids. I did get a couple of jobs at fast food a couple of times. I would rather work for a man than a woman too.
 
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I'm blessed to have the choice. We don't have children, so I see no reason to work full time. When we have children, I'll rethink that, but he's made it abundantly clear the choice is mine to make.

If you take the ratio to what the wife makes to the husband's, it really can be better financially for the wife to stay home - taking into consideration the costs of daycare, transportation, dry cleaning, taxes on the add'l income, etc. MSN Money sometimes has a chart where you can plug in both salaries and it can determine it for you. For us, there's a smaller ratio, so it would be a big financial adjustment if I were to stop working. However, it would be much worse for us if I were to go to 20 hours/week. So, if I were to switch, my choices should be to either drop to 32 hours/week, or quit entirely.

As far as me working now, we definitely need for me to, because it will help us to be able to afford our next big decision - to spend the money to adopt, or spend the money for modern medicine. :(
 
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Flipper said:
As a female...

I don't subscribe to the "burning of the bras" type of feminism. I also think Affirmative Action in the long run did more harm than good. Personally, I rather work with men, than women.

Sorry Flip, I should never have posted this and just vanished. Kinda been unexpectantly swamped the last couple days.

I am glad that you do not burn your bra. Affirmative Action accomplished all the harm it needed, to accurately be denounced as pure evil, the very first time that Uncle Sam forced a company to hire a candidate over any other candidate because of minority status. Unfair and wrong. I wonder why you would rather work with men, than women. This may be important to reflect upon.

That being said, equal job, equal pay - no exceptions, no excuses. If a female can do a better job, the female should be hired and paid accordingly. No matter what kind of spin men want to make on the situation, there are females who can do just a good of a job, if not better in pretty much every occupation. Further, they bring a different perspective and way of thinking to the table that can only make an approach to a task more rounded.

Now, we are getting into the thick of things. Yes, ideally, I agree with you. So would most businesses, well, atleast the ones that desired to remain in business. But passing legislation to force employers to hire specific people based upon sex, for the sake of "fairness" is wrong. Do you see the difference. We allow for people to fail, as well as succeed. That is reality. That is what distinguishes success from failure. A moral action from one coerced. A smile, from a frown. Anytime one adds force to the ingredients, it completely consumes any validity or integrity.

You would rather work with men, but women "can do just a good of a job, if not better in pretty much every occupation." I wonder why you are so biased against, what you seemingly describe as "the master sex (women)." Why would you declare that women are as good, if not better in EVERY occupation, yet desire to work with a man? Should your husband be nervous? :scratch:

Does every occupation need to be "more rounded." (Not really sure what this means, unless, of course, you are intending that men are "more square" than women?)

Interesting about the end of the article regarding numbers of jobs that men and women are in, and wage percentages - is it trying to say that women are pushing men out of the workforce?

Well, yes. But it's not what you think, I think. Vox is saying that society is indoctrinating women (girls) with ideas that they must always compete and destroy men in every aspect. This mantra has caused many to feel obligated to enter the workforce to feel any sense of worth. Vox is not against women working. He is against feminism, which says that women must work and stay at home moms are gutter-trash, idiotic, baby-making, sex-slaves.

What I find most interesting, is that it kind of mirrors what's going on in the legal field as a whole. Currently, there are less jobs for lawyers, but more jobs for paralegals. The reasoning is cost effectiveness. It is more cost effective to give more "non legal advice" tasks to paralegals. Traditionally, there are more male lawyers than female (though schools are graduating at 50/50 right now).

* ChiRho, while certainly aware that there are plenty of women much smarter than him (even in this congregational forum), wonders whether 50/50 is government mandated number?*

There is a much higher percentage of female paralegals than male. Because the importance of what we do is gaining, our wages are also rising (for example, I make more than a few lawyers I know) - as is the level of education required (for example, I have a BA, and most paralegals I know have at least an AAS). When you look at the numbers in the legal field alone, it certainly looks like the number of women in general is rising, and the number of men is declining. With percentates regarding wages, it does look like the wages women make compared to men are rising - there are more female paralegals, and they are getting paid more - it doesn't have to do with specific male/female dominance issues that could be due to female influence, but the types of jobs needed, and who is willing to work them. Many women in other fields are getting hired on as paralegals because of their experience in the field they were in, and how it can contribute to whatever kind of law the firm is practicing (e.g. engineers in an IP firm). Men usually don't want to be in the legal field unless they are in it as a lawyer. Women are less picky. You can't exactly blame women or the sexual revolution for this. It's purely supply and demand.

With so many women flooding the "law scene," where are all the children being raised? By a stay at home dad? I am not suggesting that all professional women are shrugging their mother responsibilities, but I do know that the more time and effort spent in anything yields better results. So, is it unfair to say that the stay-at-home-moms have quite the advantage over a mom who, lets say, spends half the time with her children? Are women prepared to admit this? Or is the "super-female" mantra going to resurface? No one would argue that a hitter, who puts half the effort and time in, would be just as good as another hitter (of equal talent and ability) who dedicates all of his time and energy into being better. There are verifiable results to the old truth: "Practice makes perfect."

Pax Christi,

ChiRho
 
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ctay said:
Some women have to work if they aren't married or have kids and no husband either by divorce or some other means. I'm lucky I got to stay home with the kids. I did get a couple of jobs at fast food a couple of times. I would rather work for a man than a woman too.

Could I have your reasoning?
 
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ChiRho said:
Sorry Flip, I should never have posted this and just vanished. Kinda been unexpectantly swamped the last couple days.

I am glad that you do not burn your bra. Affirmative Action accomplished all the harm it needed, to accurately be denounced as pure evil, the very first time that Uncle Sam forced a company to hire a candidate over any other candidate because of minority status. Unfair and wrong. I wonder why you would rather work with men, than women. This may be important to reflect upon.



Now, we are getting into the thick of things. Yes, ideally, I agree with you. So would most businesses, well, atleast the ones that desired to remain in business. But passing legislation to force employers to hire specific people based upon sex, for the sake of "fairness" is wrong. Do you see the difference. We allow for people to fail, as well as succeed. That is reality. That is what distinguishes success from failure. A moral action from one coerced. A smile, from a frown. Anytime one adds force to the ingredients, it completely consumes any validity or integrity.

You would rather work with men, but women "can do just a good of a job, if not better in pretty much every occupation." I wonder why you are so biased against, what you seemingly describe as "the master sex (women)." Why would you declare that women are as good, if not better in EVERY occupation, yet desire to work with a man? Should your husband be nervous? :scratch:

Does every occupation need to be "more rounded." (Not really sure what this means, unless, of course, you are intending that men are "more square" than women?)



Well, yes. But it's not what you think, I think. Vox is saying that society is indoctrinating women (girls) with ideas that they must always compete and destroy men in every aspect. This mantra has caused many to feel obligated to enter the workforce to feel any sense of worth. Vox is not against women working. He is against feminism, which says that women must work and stay at home moms are gutter-trash, idiotic, baby-making, sex-slaves.



* ChiRho, while certainly aware that there are plenty of women much smarter than him (even in this congregational forum), wonders whether 50/50 is government mandated number?*



With so many women flooding the "law scene," where are all the children being raised? By a stay at home dad? I am not suggesting that all professional women are shrugging their mother responsibilities, but I do know that the more time and effort spent in anything yields better results. So, is it unfair to say that the stay-at-home-moms have quite the advantage over a mom who, lets say, spends half the time with her children? Are women prepared to admit this? Or is the "super-female" mantra going to resurface? No one would argue that a hitter, who puts half the effort and time in, would be just as good as another hitter (of equal talent and ability) who dedicates all of his time and energy into being better. There are verifiable results to the old truth: "Practice makes perfect."

Pax Christi,

ChiRho

The one benefit I could see in stay-at-home Dads is that he can use the time to properly catechize his children.
 
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SLStrohkirch said:
The one benefit I could see in stay-at-home Dads is that he can use the time to properly catechize his children.

This should be done if father works. Primarily this should be done first by the church, then also at home...by both parents, but led by the father. We are commanded to provide (see above).
 
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Hmmmm...seems like women's equality has done an awful lot of bad things to our culture.

But, of course, men bollixed up an awful lot of things before 1960.

I have an idea. Let's make men unequal, and let women run the world for the next two thousand years, and see if things get better.

For starters, there'd be fewer superfluous wars.
 
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How dare you question the words of a man who had "a turbo Porsche and a record contract at 23"? Those achievements [and a penis] obviously qualify him to speak authoritativly on all issues social, economic and moral. Look how much those qualifications did for Michael Jackson and Kurt Cobain.

-Cloy

Fantine said:
Hmmmm...seems like women's equality has done an awful lot of bad things to our culture.

But, of course, men bollixed up an awful lot of things before 1960.

I have an idea. Let's make men unequal, and let women run the world for the next two thousand years, and see if things get better.

For starters, there'd be fewer superfluous wars.
 
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ctobola said:
How dare you question the words of a man who had "a turbo Porsche and a record contract at 23"? Those achievements [and a penis] obviously qualify him to speak authoritativly on all issues social, economic and moral. Look how much those qualifications did for Michael Jackson and Kurt Cobain.

-Cloy
Thus speaks the All-Wise Cloy!
Listen and learn, all you uneducated, uncritical circus-freaks!
 
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Amen Phoebesters!

Chi Chi - In previous generations, women had to be extremely agressive and cut throat to be able to succeed in anything outside of the home. The problems I ran into, is when some of these women get their position and security, they still can't shake that agressive attitude, which makes them difficult to work for - it's almost like they see other women as potential threats. I don't know why - I didn't grow up when many of them did. Women in our generation and in future generations don't have it quite as bad and it's a bit easier for us to be ourselves

While I prefer to work with men, that doesn't mean I won't take a job because I'm working for a female or anything like that - it also doesn't mean that I like working for most men - some male lawyers have everyone beat in being a slimy jerk.

As far as who would be staying at home with the kiddies? I really like that assumption that every couple has children, or that it's the way it's supposed to be. Some couples can't have children, btw, and I can think of two married women, who have posted on this thread, who can't. Also, is every female who is working married?

Also, where did I say that women are master over men? Geez.
 
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Phoebe,

I think you're on the right track... but I'd argue that WWII was just one of many factors that changed the workforce... or at least the way we measured the workforce.

The industrial revolution also had a major impact. Mechanization diminished the agricultural focus of our workforce. (In that setting, the male farmer was "employed," while his wife -- who tended the house, did the cooking and cleaning, fed the hired hands, watched the kids, planted and picked the garden, did the canning AND frequently helped with the farm work -- was unemployed and was not considered to be contributing to the farm income.)

Once Rosie the Riveter came on the scene, women were suddenly "working" -- the big difference is that they received a quantifiable paycheck.

Numerous other factors contributed to the sex/labor changes in society, including movement toward a service-based economy, the increase in literacy, unionization, urbanization, mass transit, advances in communication and health technology, greater availablity of education, the introduction of electronic media, more extensive use of consumer credit, inheritance taxes, and transportation advances (it's only been about 100 years since humans achieve flight). The list goes on and on.

The author's argument that there are direct causal links between women working outside the home and other social factors is remarkably simplistic -- at a time when so much was changing, declaring simple reasons for massive social changes amounts to ignorance or demagogery -- or possibly both.

Excelsior! -Cloy




Phoebe said:
WWII had a lot to do with the large influx of women into the paid workforce.
I don't think it's wrong for women to be able to stand on their own. Husbands have been known to die, leaving a destitute widow behind.
 
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Of course, Cloy... Anything you disagree with is, by it's very nature, "remarkably simplistic."

ctobola said:
The author's argument that there are direct causal links between women working outside the home and other social factors is remarkably simplistic -- at a time when so much was changing, declaring simple reasons for massive social changes amounts to ignorance or demagogery -- or possibly both.
 
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Of course, Cloy... Anything you disagree with is, by it's very nature, "remarkably simplistic."

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DanHead again.

nuf said. :D
 
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Fantine said:
Hmmmm...seems like women's equality has done an awful lot of bad things to our culture.

But, of course, men bollixed up an awful lot of things before 1960.

I have an idea. Let's make men unequal, and let women run the world for the next two thousand years, and see if things get better.

For starters, there'd be fewer superfluous wars.

Untrue. The women in charge would just use men to fight their wars for them.
 
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ctobola said:
How dare you question the words of a man who had "a turbo Porsche and a record contract at 23"? Those achievements [and a penis] obviously qualify him to speak authoritativly on all issues social, economic and moral. Look how much those qualifications did for Michael Jackson and Kurt Cobain.

-Cloy

This is supposed to disprove something? Did you fail to understand why the Porsche and record contract were mentioned? Or was this a weak attempt to gather support from like minds, without actually confronting any of the issues put forth?
 
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