WHY WATER BAPTISM WILL DISAPPEAR AND THEN REAPPEAR !!

One of the FIRST TIME the Greek word BAPTISM appears to me is in 1 Cor 10:2 and reads , And all were BAPTIZED TOGETHER

unto MOSES in the CLOUD and in the SEA ! Since their were thousands to cross the RED SEA and with thousand EGYTIANS following

them , and the Greek WATER // HUDOR is NOT in the Greek text .

By the way , What does the CLOUD and the SEA , mean ??

# 2 And in the book of Acts 1:5 is written , FOR // HOTI , is a CONJUNCATION

# 3 John // IOANNES , is in the NOMINATIVE CASE , and in the SIGNULAR

# 4 TRULY // MEN , is a PARTICILE DISJUNCATIVE

# 5 BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , is in the Greek , AORIST TENSE , in the INDICATIVE MOOD , means yu better bekeve it , in te SINGULAR

# 6 WITH WATER // HYDOR , in the DATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR , and in the NEUTER , meaning MALE and FEMALE

# 7 BUT // DE , is a ONJUNCATION PLEASE NOTICE THE BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

# 8 YE // HYMEIS , is a PERSONAL , POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the PLURAL

# 9 SHALL BE BAPTIZED , is in the FUTURE TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE , in the INDICATIVE MOOD , means you better belkeve it , PLURAL

and since it is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE it has not happened yet .

# 10 THE HOLY // in the DATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR and in the NEUTER

# 11 SPIRIT // PNEUMA , in the DATIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR and in the NETER

# 12 NOT // OU , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE

# 13 MANY DAYS // POLYS , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in te PLJRAL

# 14 HENCE // META , a PROPOSITION

These means WATER BAPTISM has moved on from WATER BAPTISM to HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM , as in Eph 4:5 which reads

ONE LORD , ONE FAITH , ONE // HEIS and ONE // HEIS , means ONE BAPTISM , during this AGE of GRACE and we are SAVED

By Rom 10: 9- 10 , period

But Baptism will reappear for Israel in Eze 36 :25 when Israel and Judah become ONE STICK in EZE 37:15-28 , and ISRAEL

will BE BORN AGAIN , will ONLY happen to Israel in Eze 37 !

dan p

Hoping2 said:

The word "baptism" is in the bible 22 more times, after Matt 3.
Water doesn't need to be mentioned, as it is tacit (implied).

Let me ask you this, please...If water baptism is not necessary, how is the "old man" destroyed without it ? (Rom 6:3-6)

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Hoping2 said:

The word "baptism" is in the bible 22 more times, after Matt 3.
Water doesn't need to be mentioned, as it is tacit (implied).

Let me ask you this, please...If water baptism is not necessary, how is the "old man" destroyed without it ? (Rom 6:3-6)

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And the Greek word BAPTISM in the NEW TESTAMENT is used 100 times , plus there are the Greek wrds , BAPTISMOS

BAPTO , and BAPTISTES .

And then I can do the same to anyone and just change any Greek word that I do not like , salvation or BORN
AGAIN or the Greek word SIN or the word CHRIST // CHRISTOS .

dan p

Hoping2 said:

According to biblegateway.com, "baptism" is used 23 times.
All have the same definition in the Strong's Concordance.
#908, in the Greek.
Baptisma...Means baptism consisting of the processes of immersion, submersion, and emergence.

As I have changed nothing, much less because I don't like it, to what are you referring ?
As to the question I asked earlier..."If water baptism is not necessary, how is the "old man" destroyed without it ? (Rom 6:3-6)

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Do you KNOW how to check the GREEK TEXT ??

If yo can check Matt 3:7 and it says , that mny of the Pharisses and SADDUCESS come to ( JOHNS ) BAPTISMA ,

Notice the KJV says BAPTISM , but the GREEK TEXT says , BAPTISMA and is used 22 Tmes from MATT 3:7 through

Eph 4 :5 where it says , ONE LORD , ONE FAITH ONE // HEIS , BAPTISMA , and the ONE BAPTISMA is the HOLY SPIRIT

And in Rom 6: 4 reads , Therefore , we were buried together with HIM this BAPTISMA ( check the Greek TEXT and SEE )

And in Rom 6:3 says , OR are you IGNORANT , that as many as were BAPTIZED ( WHERE IS THE WATER // HYDOR )

into CHRIST JESUS , were BAPTIZED into HIS DEATH , how did that happen wthtout WATER ??

And the Greek word BAPTISMA is in the Greek text in 1 Peter 3:21 !!

dan p

Hoping2 said:

I am not so enthralled with Greek, that I miss the English.
Water baptism into Christ, and into His death and burial, is how we are "inserted" into Christ.
It is how we are buried with Him, and how we raised with Him to walk in newness of life.
If, as you seem to suppose, baptism is to be done away with, how can a man be put into Christ, or born again ?

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And ONLY , Israel will be BORN AGAIN , PERIOD , and is easy to prove .

And Acts 28 :25-28 tells all WHY , and Acts 2:36 they CRUCIFIED , Jesus .

And in verse 37 , they say to Peter , WHAT will we DO ???

And is verse 38 , Peter does say to Israel to , REPENT and be BAPTIZED , for forgiveness of sins { Peter did not say

BE BORN AGAIN , did HE , NO , Peter told them to be BAPTIZED in the name of Jesus Christ and you will receive the

gift of the HOLY SPIRIT as Acts 1:5 says that JOHN , did baptize with WATER , BUT you will baptized

with HOLY SPIRIT , NOT // OU , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , not 1 , or 5 YEARS , but not many

of these DAYS AFTER !!

And Acts 1:5 proves that WATER BAPTISM did change from JOHNS WATER BAPTISM , to HOLY SPIRT , BAPTISM

and that i why the apostle Paul did not WAER BAPTISM no one ,

And some will point to 1 Cor 1:14-17 and can explain very easily .

dan p

Hoping2 said:

Unless you are a Jew, then, you won't see the kingdom of God.

No, it doesn't.

Yes they did, though it has nothing to do with our conversation...unless you make some kind of point.

He says it to more than just Israel.
Cornelius the Roman, the Ethiopian eunuch, and the many at Corinth, heard the same message.

Peter wasn't preaching rebirth at that time.
He was preaching the ways and means of conversion.
Conversion will facilitate rebirth.

I disagree, as many folks were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, using water, much later in the book of Acts.
Crispus, Gaius, Stephanus, and the twelve at Ephesus, come to mind.

You have forgotten Crispus, Gaius, Stephanus, the Philippian jailer, and the twelve at Ephesus.
Besides having been baptized himself by Ananias, or his fellows, of Damascus.

You are welcome to try.
But I have heard most of the arguments meant to change God's word concerning water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins before, so am well equipt to hash it out with you.

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And I aleady have an OP on why it says that Paul did BAPTIZED , NONE of you EXCEPT CRISPUS and GAIUS and looking

for your rely on Controverial Christian Theolory !

dan p

bling said:

New Christians may not tap into everything that is available to them to help them experience the transformation:

I do not know of any Christian group, who believe the water itself saves you, since all believe it is God who saves and God is not limited by water.

Water baptism is not a “requirement” for salvation, since God does the saving, but is something Christians get to do in order to help them and others.

I know that I needed everything God could provide to assure me of my conversion, both outwardly and mentally. God wants you to physically feel the experience of what is going on Spiritually.

You would like to add to your conversion a definite time place and physical experience, which God has provided for you.

Adult believers water immersion is to be a physical outward representation of what had or is happening spiritually in the person being baptized. It is mainly to help the individual being baptized to better grasp what is going on, but it can “witness” to others observing the baptism. It has the elements of going down under the water (burying the old man), placing your dependence in another; the person baptizing you (surrendering your life to God), being washed (having your sins washed away), rising out of the water (rising from the old dead body), and stepping forth out onto the earth (a new person). The person is walking out into the hugs of his new family. It is also a sign of your humility, since it is a humbling act anyone can simple allow someone to do to them (so not a work) and since humility has been shown in the accept of charity (God’s free gift of undeserving forgiveness) it should just support and add to the memory of that acceptance. To refuse Christian water baptism when it is readily available might mean you are not ready to handle other responsibility like having the indwelling Holy Spirit and you are hurting yourself.

Christian Baptism replaced John’s Baptism and not circumcision, since circumcision went on at the same time as John’s baptism and it is not in the Bible where, Jewish Christians cease circumcising their boy children after baptism became available. Circumcision was a physical visible daily reminder to all Jewish boys and men that they were a Jew. The indwelling Holy Spirit is our literal daily reminder that we are Christians. The indwelling Holy Spirit replaced circumcision and is for both men and women.

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And just ASKING , can you be saved with OUT WATER BAPTISM ? YES OR NO ??

How about Romans 10:9 and 10 , where is the WATER BAPTISM ??

And is 1 Cor 10 :2 , And all were BAPTIZED TOGETHER unto Moses in the CLOUD and in the SEA ?

Notice that GREEK WATER // HUDAR , is NOT in the Greek TEXT !!

And how were all those Jews BAPTIZED in the CLOUD and in the SEA ?

dan p

bling said:

I said God saves the person. Water Baptism is what we get to do to help us. It is one of the many gifts provided for us.

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And WATER BAPTISM was given to HELP US ??

Do you have a verse to HELP US ??

dan p

bling said:

I gave my personal witness of how Baptism helped me realize what was happening Spiritually to me, while being saved.

There are verses to support this like:

Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Colossians 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

1 Peter 3:21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Generally we can see that God is doing and/or allowing everything to help willing individuals in their fulfilling their earthly objective, with baptism being one of those things.

Do you see water immersion baptism hurting the spiritual growth of people?

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And Paul is also giving his personal witness by the HOLY SPIRIT in Rom 6: 4 , Therfore , we were buried together

with HIM , through BAPTISMA ( NOT THE WORD BAPTISM ) is NOT in the Greek text , and just check the GREEK YEXT

AND in verse 6:3 reads , Or are you IGNORANT , that as many were BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST , were PLACED

into his DEATH , how did that HAPPEN as Christ has been DEAD , some 2000 years AGO ?

dan p

bling said:

I gave my personal witness of how Baptism helped me realize what was happening Spiritually to me, while being saved.

There are verses to support this like:

Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Colossians 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

1 Peter 3:21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Generally we can see that God is doing and/or allowing everything to help willing individuals in their fulfilling their earthly objective, with baptism being one of those things.

Do you see water immersion baptism hurting the spiritual growth of people?

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And where is word , WATER IMMERSION BAPTISM ?

I know some people that SINCE they have been BATIZED that they are SAVED and will wonder how water save

AND in 1 Peter 3:21 , The like figure , whereunto , BAPTISMA DOTH also now save us , not the putting ALWAY

OF THE FILTH of the FLESH , but the answer of a good conscience toward God , by the resurrection of Jesus Christ .

dan p

bling said:

Strong gives us this: 908 (báptisma) indicates submerging (dipping, immersion), so my saying immersion is just redundant, but I did want the reader to know what baptism I am talking about.

Not sure what your point is here. The fact that Peter has to say: “not the putting ALWAY

OF THE FILTH of the FLESH” makes it clear Peter is talking about water baptism

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bling said:

I said God saves the person. Water Baptism is what we get to do to help us. It is one of the many gifts provided for us.

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But a verse how WATER BAPTISM to help us , PLEASE ??

dan p

Hoping2 said:

"Except for" nullifies your whole point.

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AND it does say WATER BAPTISM , does it ??

How about this one in 1 Cor 10 ;2 And all were BAPTIZED UNTO MOSES in the CLOUD and in the SEA !

How were they BAPTIZE unto Moses , in the CLOUD and in the SEA , in WATER BAPTISM ??

The GREEK word WATER // HUDOR , is not in the GREEK TEXT !!


dan p