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Why wasn't Enoch included?

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visionary said:
That authority to make that decision is obviously not holding sway in this thread... Case still open
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Really. Well you accept your New Testament don't you? In so doing, you have accepted the authority of the people who canonized it: Pope Damasus I and the Bishops united to him.

Kinda siticks in your craw that you have to admit that, doesn't it.
 
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The New Testament canon is irrelevant to the Book of Enoch's status within the Bible. Besides, you should be qualifying your statements with something like, "my denomination of Christianity teaches". Also the Roman Catholic Church did not yet exist when the Bible was canonized.
 
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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA


"It influenced not only later Jewish apocrypha, but has left its imprint on the New Testament and the works of the early Fathers. The canonical Epistle of St. Jude, in verses 14, 15, explicitly quotes from the Book of Henoch; the citation is found in the Ethiopic version in verses 9 and 4 of the first chapter. There are probable traces of the Henoch literature in other portions of the New Testament.


Passing to the patristic writers, the Book of Henoch enjoyed a high esteem among them, mainly owing to the quotation in Jude. The so-called Epistle of Barnabas twice cites Henoch as Scripture. Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Origen, and even St. Augustine suppose the work to be a genuine one of the patriarch. But in the fourth century the Henoch writings lost credit and ceased to be quoted. After an allusion by an author of the beginning of the ninth century, they disappear from view."
 
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Book of Enoch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



"The book is referred to, and quoted, in Jude 14-15:
"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these [men], saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."[7]:711)


"Another probable Biblical reference can be found in I Peter 3:19,20 to En. 21:6. 1 Enoch is considered as Scripture in the Epistle of Barnabas[8] and by many of the early Church Fathers as Athenagoras[9], Clement of Alexandria[10], Irenaeus[11] and Tertullian[12] who wrote c. 200 that the Book of Enoch had been rejected by the Jews because it contained prophecies pertaining to Christ.

However, some later Fathers denied the canonicity of the book and some even considered the letter of Jude uncanonical because it refers to an "apocryphal" work. By the fourth century it was mostly excluded from Christian lists of the Biblical canon, and it was omitted from the canon by most of the Christian church (the Ethiopian Orthodox Church being an exception)."



"There is little doubt that 1 Enoch was influential in molding New Testament doctrines about the Messiah, demonology, the resurrection, and eschatology[2]:19. The Book of Enoch influenced also many Biblical apocrypha, as Jubilees, 2 Baruch, 2 Esdras, Apocalypse of Abraham and obviously 2 Enoch.

The Greek text was known to, and quoted by nearly all the Church Fathers: references can be found in Justin Martyr, Minucius Felix, Irenaeus, Origen, Cyprian, Hippolytus, Commodianus, Lactantius and Cassian[32]:430, although these references come exclusively from the first five chapters of 1 Enoch. After Cassian (died 435 CE), and before the modern "rediscovery", some excerpts are given in the Byzantine Empire by the 8th century monk George Syncellus in his chronography and in the 9th century it is listed as an apocryphon of the New Testament by Patriarch Nicephorushttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch#cite_note-32."
 
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katholikos said:
Really. Well you accept your New Testament don't you? In so doing, you have accepted the authority of the people who canonized it: Pope Damasus I and the Bishops united to him.

Kinda siticks in your craw that you have to admit that, doesn't it.
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I am not restricted ot it by same said authority... in fact, that is why I speak so positively about the value of the Book of Enoch here.. because I do not accept the authority... it is between God and myself as to what God will use to inspire me regarding His Kingdom.
 
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katholikos said:
Really. Well you accept your New Testament don't you? In so doing, you have accepted the authority of the people who canonized it: Pope Damasus I and the Bishops united to him.

Kinda stick's in your craw that you have to admit that, doesn't it.
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I do not accept any Catholic corruptions of scripture.
 
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JudaicChristian said:
I do not accept any Catholic corruptions of scripture.
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Pardon me; I hope I heard you incorrectly: Did you just call the New Testament a "Catholic corruption of Scripture"?
 
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JudaicChristian said:
I must warn you all that, although The Book of Enoch is a divinely inspired word, it also has some Gnostic corruptions in it. The editor of Enoch, RH Charles; marks a number of places that are corrupted.
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Some misinformation never seems to die.

One continues to read online the concerns of a few posters that the Book of Enoch is a gnostic work. I have tried repeatedly to discover the reasons this myth is so persistent. Usually I find people are simply repeating what someone else has related to them.

So, I will try one more time, Judaic Christian, please post your reasons why you feel there are gnostic teachings, and/or influences within the Book of Enoch. If you cannot, don't be too embarrassed, I've never known anyone else to even attempt to point them out when asked. So I'm asking, please show us what you believe to be gnostic influences in the book .

By the way, RH Charles never said their was gnosticism in the book either.
 
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