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a safe place, I understand.argumentum ad populum, a fallacious argument
a safe place, I understand.
and what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?There is no safety in numbers.
Proverbs 11:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.
I think I see your argument that inspiration comes from God and was focused on the Scripture writers, which makes the writings inspired from the beginning. We can both recognize that fact; but Jesus said that he would send the Holy Spirit and that the Spirit would guide us to the truth. So the early church prayed for the Spirit to guide them in the books chosen. One of the criteria that they settled upon was that the book had to be universally accepted, which is why Clement did not make the canon and why an argumentum ad populum was actually used. It doesn't prove inspiration; but it does show consensus in what the Spirit guided the people to recognize as truth. The converse theory would be that nearly the entire church fell into error early on and selected the wrong books. That seems to be the Bart Ehrman crowd's theory on why their pet books did not make the list.There is no safety in numbers.
Proverbs 11:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.
none of these 3 criteria are given in scripture.Because Clement wasn't an Apostle. He was not one of the 12, he was not Paul, and he was not one of the 70.
And they read others...many othersThe Church read publicly those writings which were given to us by the Apostles.
There are NO criteria given in Scripture for the contents of the canon of the New Testament.none of these 3 criteria are given in scripture.
And they read others...many others
my pointThere are NO criteria given in Scripture for the contents of the canon of the New Testament.
no, it about why Clement's letter wasnt included.Yes, there are many others, but this thread is about the New Testament.
I don't have personal thoughts on the matter.my point
no, it about why Clement's letter wasnt included.
You have some personal thoughts and reasons, which is great. But how do we know they are correct without confirmation from scripture?
ok, your personal reasons (or someone else's reasons you agree with) then are not confirmed by scripture.I don't have personal thoughts on the matter.
That's not what Scripture is, and I am will not be subject to arbitrary Reformational standards.ok, your personal reasons (or someone else's reasons you agree with) then are not confirmed by scripture.
There are no such things as reformational standards.I am will not be subject to arbitrary Reformational standards.
?That's not what Scripture is
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