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Look at the two little words under your username.Untrue. You know its very hard to have a discussion when the other side resorts to such overt untruths
Show me threads, provide links to posts that trash you or WoF beliefs. By that I mean posts that actually trash WoF not just people discussing their own experiences and their own conclusions, I mean posts that are really out to get WOF
Look at the two little words under your username.
It says all that needs to be said...
"anti wof"
Which is fine. If you think this is funny and want to joke about it.. go ahead.
But do not turn around and pretend there is nothing to it.
Ok then, without using any of those excuses, and blaming others, to excuse yourself, explain to me why you haven't always displayed the fruits of the Spirit in this forum?
So in other words you cant actually provide any threads where you specifically have been slammed, or where WoF beliefs have been trashed
I went to look, but I see the forum has been cleaned of the recent threads where this has happened. Also, I was "paranoid" that if I spent too much time in there, lismore might call me "hostile" or "paranoid" again...
I do have part of a post I could quote, but since it's been deleted, I don't want to violate the rules by posting it again.
So thats potentially 2 threads out of 10 pages worth?
I'm genuinely interested in seeing evidence of the problem, so far I've read alot of over emotional hyperbole.
How can you be insulted by someone else's beliefs? That statement doesn't even make sense to me.
So thats potentially 2 threads out of 10 pages worth?
I'm genuinely interested in seeing evidence of the problem, so far I've read alot of over emotional hyperbole.
Because we do believe the same on many points, and if that be our focus we can fellowship without any friction. I believe the problems come when people try to tell others what to believe, or when they tell them they are wrong for believing what they believe.
The reason I even bring this up is for 2 yrs. I went to a Calvary Chapel, all the while holding fast to what I know is true. But the LORD lead us there for a season. What I saw was it did not interfere with our fellowship at all. There was a deep love. The leadership there knew what we believed, yet permitted us to be in leadership b/c they knew we would not cause division. We respected those in authority as the Word tells us.
If they had said we could not stay there unless we renounced out beliefs, we would not have had the time with them we did. So if one said I could not post in another forum b/c I am WoF and have to stay in my camp, there would be a great many people I could never be with here.
Won't we all be in heaven?
Will the LORD divide is there?
I could see if I made trouble and caused strife something would have to be done.
Here, is a post where a once very active member of the non-WoF forum even seemed to agree that the forum was leaning anti-WoF;
"...But I think we've been going about it incorrectly. Instead of trying to defend our forum and beliefs, and then come back in here to vent frustrations, why don't we find ways to make this forum positive, without discussing what we disagree with about WoF?..."
Source http://www.christianforums.com/t6764614/#post42868967
Therefore you acknowledge the differences. Now do you also support a split based on those differences because we have lost members over this infighting and only God knows how many unbelievers that saw this.Lol, this post was from about 2 and a half years ago!
And by saying "a once very active member of the non-WoF forum", are you implying that he's no longer active because of the friction? Because you should well know he stated personal issues for his rare appearances.
And besides, the friction long predates two and half years ago.
peace,
Simon
Therefore you acknowledge the differences. Now do you also support a split based on those differences because we have lost members over this infighting and only God knows how many unbelievers that saw this.
Actually it was laid out pretty well earlier by someone that suggested two full forums seperated and a couple other things. I am definitely in agreement that there needs to be a seperation along with many others as seen in this thread but the call is not ours it will be up to the owner and the advisors. I just pray that this time it is done.I'm not sure I understand. What differences am I acknowledging?
I have long acknowledged the different beliefs among SF believers.
As for supporting a split; well there's already a split. Do you mean supporting a different type of separation than we already have? Well that depends on the details.
peace,
Simon
ave you noticed that much of the current anti-WoF threads and posts in the debater forum are simply devoid of any substance whatsoever?
Well, since you asked, here's my 10 minutes worth of looking;
"...For me, if I can actually help someone locked in a world of WOF entrapment, to see for themselves that much of it simply doesn't work and will never work, is reward in itself...."
Source: http://www.christianforums.com/t7361658/#post51469000
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"WOF is sneaky.
They hold out the hook of healing and prosperity to the passerby.
Its only when you're well into it that you hear about becoming little gods, manipulating faith forces and all the weirder stuff."
Source: http://www.christianforums.com/t7361658/#post52515226
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"...I'll never board that bondage train again. Soon, the object of your faith becomes your faith, because you're always looking inside you for answers. Do I have enough faith? Do I believe enough? Did I confess it positively enough? Nightmare!"
Source: http://www.christianforums.com/t7361658-2/#post54354192
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"There are Word of Faith doctrines are influencing and using Christianity to lead us from the truth (through media, books and churches)..."
Source: http://www.christianforums.com/t7361658-2/#post54355933
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Here, is a post where a once very active member of the non-WoF forum even seemed to agree that the forum was leaning anti-WoF;
"...But I think we've been going about it incorrectly. Instead of trying to defend our forum and beliefs, and then come back in here to vent frustrations, why don't we find ways to make this forum positive, without discussing what we disagree with about WoF?..."
Source http://www.christianforums.com/t6764614/#post42868967
"...I'll never board that bondage train again. Soon, the object of your faith becomes your faith, because you're always looking inside you for answers. Do I have enough faith? Do I believe enough? Did I confess it positively enough? Nightmare!"
Source: http://www.christianforums.com/t7361658-2/#post54354192
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Even if the belief is biblical . if there is a idolatry of the belief and a grasping hand of covetousness of the heart towards it .
it will not be practiced in the power of God's spirit it will be tainted by the pride that comes with such things .
it is important to examine both the inside and the outside .
because it is written "May God be true and every man a liar"
which means what ever we come up with . it will be wrong in some sense so .. it matter the heart and its relation to God's love when coming up with these ideas on how to live with God in your life .
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