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Why the Trinity is a False Doctrine

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Sorry but i disagree with your interpretations.
 
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Sorry but i disagree with your interpretations.

On what basis, your own interpretations? I have given you the scriptures clearly indicating that YHWH is the name of an angel.
 
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I suggest you read a study I did on predetermination.

That's not the subject of this thread and I don't want to get sidetracked - especially by something that I don't agree with.
 
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That's not the subject of this thread and I don't want to get sidetracked - especially by something that I don't agree with.

So be it. God will draw whom he draws.
 
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When God, or rather, Jesus, said let "us make man in our image", he wasn't speaking to the Father, as Jesus already had the directive from the Father to create man,

So if "Jesus had a directive from the Father to create man" - which is not what Genesis says so you have no way of knowing, but anyway - then Jesus must have been with God at creation. Which is what John says, but which you previously disagreed with.
 
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So if "Jesus had a directive from the Father to create man" - which is not what Genesis says so you have no way of knowing, but anyway - then Jesus must have been with God at creation. Which is what John says, but which you previously disagreed with.

When have I disagreed with Jesus present in the beginning? And yes we have a way of knowing that the words spoken by Jesus were directed by the Father, because it is the Father who indeed created, and he spoke through Jesus, as it is said,
but to us there is one God the father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we by him. (I Corinthians 8:6 [ABP])
 
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I went to the links you posted and none of them say Lord God. All i saw was Jehovah God.

I think I will remove myself from this. what i have said I said and I found it in the Holy Scripture. I don't know where you've gotten your information, but from your own links it can't be verified. I am not a theologist but I know when something doesn't sound right so I will wish you the best and listen to the rest of this discussion from the peanut gallery.
 
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"LORD God" is how most bibles render the name of God, as you can even see here, http://biblehub.com/genesis/2-7.htm . It is referring to the name of YHWH, which is indeed the name of an angel.
 
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"LORD God" is how most bibles render the name of God, as you can even see here, http://biblehub.com/genesis/2-7.htm . It is referring to the name of YHWH, which is indeed the name of an angel.

I went to the links you posted and none of them say Lord God. All i saw was Jehovah God.

I think I will remove myself from this. what i have said I said and I found it in the Holy Scripture. I don't know where you've gotten your information, but from your own links it can't be verified. I am not a theologist but I know when something doesn't sound right so I will wish you the best and listen to the rest of this discussion from the peanut gallery.
 
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What links that I posted say "Jehovah God"? Jehovah is not the name of YHWH and nothing I have posted affirms this.
 
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YHWH, which is indeed the name of an angel.
In what translation, your personal one? Yaweh is Elohim, the Lord God not some angel as some such as JW's believe....
 
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In what translation, your personal one? Yaweh is Elohim, the Lord God not some angel as some such as JW's believe....

I use the apostolic bible polyglot for personal use. Yihweh is indeed God because he was made God by God, but this is not the name of the Father. The Father has no name, and he is referred to as I AM, because he is not created that he should have a name like all created beings do. This is certainly not the teaching of Jehovah's witnesses, as I am certain that they believe "Jehovah" is the name of the Father, which is why they put so much emphasis on using that name, not knowing that it is only referring to a specific angel.
 
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ihweh is indeed God because he was made God by God,
And I am man because I was made man by man.....makes as much sense.
The Father has no name,
Uh....try God

because he is not created that he should have a name like all created beings do.
Which is what JW's teach and you have many times gone down that same path....
If I am wrong then I ask you to state here and now that Jesus was not created, has always existed, and is God. If you will do that, you will have my abject apology.
 
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God is not the name of the Father. "God" is a title, not a name. If I call you a "person", that is what you are, but that is not your name. God the Father does not have a name, which is why he is referred to as I AM. The Jehovah's witnesses teach that Jehovah is the name of the Father, which is not true.

However, Jesus was indeed created, hence why he is even called a son of God, a son is birthed, and does not precede a father in existence, nor does a son come at the same time as a father, and since the Father has always existed, therefore the next natural order of sonship is that Jesus did indeed begin, yet he began in the beginning, which is why he was in the beginning, and is called "only son", because he was the only being created directly by the Father, and then all life came through Jesus.
 
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So, you deny the deity of Jesus because no created being can be God....they can only be a created being such as angels or ourselves?
 
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So, you deny the deity of Jesus because no created being can be God....they can only be a created being such as angels or ourselves?

I am not denying the deity of Jesus, as he is created above all created beings, even angels, hence why his name is the one we use and not the name of YHWH in reference to salvation.
 
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I am not denying the deity of Jesus, as he is created above all created beings, even angels, hence why his name is the one we use and not the name of YHWH in reference to salvation.
A created being cannot be God....are you God....am I....are the angels....no because only God can be God....He cannot create "God" as you suggest.
 
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A created being cannot be God....are you God....am I....are the angels....no because only God can be God....He cannot create "God" as you suggest.

Created beings can be made God. Just as any son can be given charge over all the affairs of a father. In fact, even Moses was made God by God, as we see in this scripture,
And the LORD said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet. (Exodus 7:1 [ESV])

So if Moses was made as God over the things concerning the Law, how much more is Jesus made as God since all life came through him?
 
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So, you deny the deity of Jesus because no created being can be God....they can only be a created being such as angels or ourselves?
He seems to be a modern day Arian.

A more correct understanding of the Trinity is that the Father eternally begets the Son in the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 8:6 being a reworked Shema says that "for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist". The language used here is one which opens up the Shema (Hear Oh Israel, the Lord your God the Lord is One) into two persons within the monotheistic landscape. The earliest Christians held what appears to be a Binitarianism. God is eternally the Father in relation to the Son who is eternally begotten of the Father.
 
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