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Why the theistic evolution position is both unbiblical and impossible

Kirkwhisper

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He isn't telling the truth. I shut down those who are so brainwashed with Darwinian evolution and WILL NOT be corrected no matter what the source, evolutionary or otherwise. Those who demonstrate a willingness to twist scripture to their own philosophical ends and seek to change the definitions and common understanding of known and well established laws of science...all because they feel so threatened by creationists like me who expose their belief system for what it is: a lie.

After several engagements with such individuals I merely turn to other posters because they will not deal with the issues honestly.
 
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Incariol

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Darwinian evolution of living organisms does not exist and never did. "After his kind' is the rule of nature and always has been. God's Word is true and Darwin was wrong.

You realize we've observed evolution occurring, right?
 
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Kirkwhisper said:
Ha, ha, ha, ha.

Take it and frame it, brother.

They will never get it until judgment day.


Yes I can see why Creationists might find the thought of looking for evidence to support their ideas amusing.

Either it's because they know full well there is no evidence to support Creationism whatsoever, or they dislike the idea of studying God's world. They might find that reality differs from their interpretation of the Bible, and that just wouldn't do.
 
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Kirkwhisper

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He sticks his tongue out at us and thinks his words have merit.

Another goldy.
 
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No, quite frankly you haven't...any more than my children have ever seen Santa Claus deliver presents on Christmas Eve.

...Except I have. Sorry. Next time you shouldn't make pronouncements about the activities and education of people you don't know without checking your claims' veracity first.
 
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Very good points. Here are a couple more I have seen:

1) Theistic evolution puts death before Adam, rather than after, making death the instrument of creation rather than the penalty for sin. This undermines the doctrine of original sin, in turn undermining the gospel message.
2) Evolution implies that the story of Adam and Eve was an allegorical story and not historical. If the first Adam is not historical, what does that say about the last Adam (Jesus)?
3) Evolution says the reptiles preceded the birds. Creation says the birds were created before the reptiles.

Either the Bible is the inspired, authoritative word of God or it isn't. The creation account in Genesis cannot be reconciled with theistic evolution.
 
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Kirkwhisper said:
He sticks his tongue out at us and thinks his words have merit.
If you're that offended by emoticons perhaps you shouldn't use them.
Are you going to continue discussing the evidence for or against evolution or have you resorted to belittling users you disagree with? (For the record, Wikipedia is a very poor source of knowledge. I'd avoid using it.)
 
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1) If we assume there was no death before the Fall, we have to assume nothing was ever eaten either. This is contradicted by two passages in the Bible:
a) God allowed Adam to eat whatever they wanted (Genesis 1:29-30).
b) God warned Adam he would die if he ate the forbidden fruit (Genesis 3:3). Obviously Adam didn't die, therefore God was not referring to physical death.
2) Many theistic evolutionists believe Adam was a genuine, physical person. He may not have been the first human, but he was the first one to be given a soul.

3) Reptiles aren't mentioned in the Creation story. All it says is that the sea and the sky was inhabited by animals before the land - which (roughly) fits in with the evolutionary account.
 
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You realize we've observed evolution occurring, right?

We have observed micro evolution, within created kinds, such as dog breeding. No matter how many times you breed dogs, you always end up with a dog. Macro evolution is what is in dispute. One created kind does not evolve into another. Breeding dogs will never produce a cat.
 
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1. We all know that "micro" and "macro" evolution is a cute false dichotomy invented by Creationists to move the goalposts.

2. What is a "kind"? Your taxonomic argument is gibberish until you tell us what that is.

3. Dogs are not a "kind", they are a subspecies of Canis lupus. Unless "kind" is a synonym for "subspecies". We are all, of course, still waiting for you to tell us what a "kind" is.

4. Nobody has ever said breeding dogs will eventually produce a cat. What on earth are you talking about?


And finally, even then, we have observed examples of "Macroevolution". Sorry.
 
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Mathetes123 said:
Breeding dogs will never produce a cat.
Because if it did it would destroy everything we know about evolution. Examples Creationists use which they think would "prove" evolution would actually completely disprove it. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

Incariol: Macro- and micro-evolution are scientifically valid terms, as they refer to different forms of evolution. "Kinds" probably means species - therefore no animal being able to breed beyond it's kind probably means animals are not able to breed beyond it's species. That would be an example of macroevolution.
 
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1) Before the fall, Adam & Eve were vegetarians. Are you suggesting God lied when he said the penalty for sin is death?

2) The Bible says he was the first man.

3) Reptiles are land animals. You just admitted the birds came before the land animals (which includes reptiles), which is the opposite order given by evolutionists and therefore does not fit the evolutionary account.
 
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Because if it did it would destroy everything we know about evolution. Examples Creationists use which they think would "prove" evolution would actually completely disprove it. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

You said we have observed evolution (I am referring here to macro-evolution). Give me an example of macro-evolution that has been observed.
 
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mathetes123

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Refer to the Bible for the created kinds. Species is just a man made classification system.

What examples of macro-evolution have we observed?
 
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