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Why the theistic evolution position is both unbiblical and impossible

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The idea that God used the millions (or billions) of years in a process of the development of earth and life in this world is both unbiblical and impossible. Here are many of the reasons why:

(1) God inspired Moses to write of an instantaneous creation of both heaven AND earth. The earth was created at the same time as the rest of the universe.


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"in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." vs 1 as compared to Psalm 33:6-9.

6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

This is instantaneous creation and not something that occurred over millions or billions of yrs. The 14 billion yr estimate (Gamov said 20 billion yrs, other more, others less) is a myth.

The fact is that in Genesis one there is internal evidence as to this instantaneous creation of things by the Lord as it progressed through the six days.

"And God said, Let there be light and there was light". vs 3

(2) Each day of creation was assigned both a 'morning' & an 'evening'. This is done six times. The TE objection that this is not literal because the sun was not created until the fourth day is illegitimate. Why? Because God provided light on earth by what was indicated in vs 3. Whatever that light was provided the natural time divisions that was eventually assigned to the sun on the 4th day.

If the above point is somehow incorrect then what meaning does the 'morning and the evening were the first day...second day...third day', etc. have as it relates to millions or billions of yrs? Answer: none. There can be no relation, even poetically. Therefore the 'evening and the morning were the....day" is to be taken literally.

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(3) the natural divisions of time are given by God in the first chapter: vs 14.

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years."

signs = constellations that can provide the exact date and time depending on ones location in viewing the position of the stars.

seasons = spring, summer, fall, winter which God said would continue indefinitely in Gen. 8:22. Those are natural time divisions marked by the change in weather since then until now. It's still a legitimate operation of nature.

days: the circuit of the sun on ancient sundials in approx. 24 hrs still stands as a 'day' until this period of history. The fact that the word 'day' (Hebrew 'yom') sometimes refers to longer period of times does not affect the necessity of a one 24 hr day in Genesis, as we shall continue to see.

years: The Hebrew year of 360 days per year and one 'leap month' was observed and later the now recognized 365 1/4 days occur in one orbit of the earth around the sun...again observed from ancient times until now.

God's Word is final on this point and not human opinion to the contrary. The fact is that history bears up the fact that ancient man used those natural divisions to establish the measurement of the passing of time...unto this very day.

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(4) the literal six days of creation are referred to in three places, one we have already covered: Genesis one. The others are in Exodus 20:11 & 31:17. That makes three direct references to the six day creation of the world by Almighty God. Did anyone in Moses time believe the world evolved? Let the compromising theistic evolutionists name him/her.

"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

The fact is that creation week became the basis for the six day working week with one day of rest that is still observed by many in our world to this day.

"Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest"
Exodus 23:12.

Nothing is more obvious than the literal nature of this command, for no one could work for six thousand yrs nor ever need a rest of one thousand yrs, still less 6 million yrs of work and 1 million yrs of rest.

The fact that God commanded six years of planting with one year of summer fallowing the ground concerned the land. The command in Ex. 23:12 (i.e.) was a command as it relates to man. There are more deeply spiritual reasons why God used that time frame than I have time to explore here.

(5) The chronologies of Genesis 5, I Chronicles 1, and Luke 3 give exactly the same names of the antediluvian forefathers which gives us excellent reason to respect the ages mentioned in Gen. 5

The Chronologies compared

Genesis: I Chronicles: Luke:
Adam Adam Adam
Seth Sheth Seth
Enos Enosh Enos
Cainan Kenan Cainan
Mahalaleel Mahalaleel Maleleel
Jared Jared Jared
Enoch Henoch Enoch
Methuselah Methuselah Mathusala
Lamech Lamech Lamech
Noah Noah Noe
Shem Shem Sem

Why would the Holy Spirit inspire the writers of three different books of the Bible about the people who were the earliest inhabitants of our world if they were not real, literal, historical people who did exactly what scripture tells us they did?

The lineage mentioned in Luke is Jesus family tree...noted from Jesus himself all the way back (77 names) to Adam. If that family lineage is not legitimate then any claim that the Lord Jesus might have as heir to the throne of David is not legitimate. Yet some TE's on this website have had the gall to attack the chronologies of the Bible (in agreement with the atheists who make the same charge!) as if we cannot trust the Word of God as to the right of Jesus Christ to have that claim!

(6) There isn't a single passage of the New Testament that mentions the creation week, Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Noah, or his family members, or even Abraham, Lot, and his wife that places in question the literal historical events and occurrences of their lives and acts. Yet the TE's do so with most of them.

Observe:

Lu 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Ro 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Now, which of those verses place a question in Adams literal, historical existence?

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Which of these verses tell us that Eve was not a real, historical character?

Mt 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Lu 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
Heb 11:4 ¶ By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Which verse above places in question the literal, historical existence of Abel?

Heb 11:4 ¶ By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
1Jo 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Which verse above places question in the literal, historical existence of Cain or what he is recorded as doing in his life?

Lu 3:37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Which verse above places in question the existence of, or historical acts of Enoch?


Mt 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mt 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Lu 3:36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,
Lu 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Lu 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Which verse above leaves us to believe Noe(Noah) was not a real person or that the flood was not real and/or world wide?

(7) The entrance of sin and the subsequent ruin of our world and the human race in particular is mentioned in Genesis 3 and it is treated as a literal, historical matter in Romans 5:12

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."

Not only so but it is clear that this ruin of death in the world began with Adam and continued throughout history:

"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses,..." vs. 14.

The theistic evolution position must deny that sin began literally with the fall of man in rebellion to God in the garden of Eden in order to maintain the concept of death for millions of years of evolution. But even if that were true, none of those who defend such an idea have any clue as to when sin acutally began...or when death actually orginated. Some are so far removed from the truth they don't even connect death with man's sin in the first place, nor do they think such a connection is necessary. But that being so they have no idea where physical death originated...or why.

Finally, the theistic evolution position (which is neither biblical nor scientific) is therefore refuted and there are even more reasons I have not posted here. The theistic evolution position is a shame and disgrace to the Christian world and a tool of Satan to lead weak-minded believers into unbelief about God's creation.
 
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You're not saying anything which hasn't been said hundreds of times already. And I'm not either :p

  1. You provide Biblical scripture but not actual evidence. If we disproved evolution everything else we know - such germ theory, geographic evidence and genetic evidence - would fall apart too.
  2. The Bible frequently uses allegories, poems and metaphores. Jesus was not literally a lamb or a vine.
  3. Theistic evolution, as the name suggests, says that God created all living things via evolution. Even in the USA, theistic evolutionists outnumber atheistic evolutionists. Clearly evolution is not inherently atheistic.
  4. Many theistic evolutions do believe Adam was a literal person - the first Homo Sapiens to receive a soul. Other believe the "houses" mentioned in the Bible refer to tribes or clans, rather than individuals. This would not change the geneologies listed in the Bible.
 
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You're not saying anything which hasn't been said hundreds of times already. And I'm not either :p

1. You provide Biblical scripture but not actual evidence. If we disproved evolution everything else we know - such germ theory, geographic evidence and genetic evidence - would fall apart too.
2. The Bible frequently uses allegories, poems and metaphores. Jesus was not literally a lamb.
3. Theistic evolution, as the name suggests, says that God created all living things via evolution. Even in the USA, theistic evolutionists outnumber atheistic evolutionists. Clearly evolution is not inherently atheistic.
4. Many theistic evolutions do believe Adam was a literal person - the first Homo Sapiens to receive a soul. Other believe the "houses" mentioned in the Bible refer to tribes or clans, rather than individuals. This would not change the geneologies listed in the Bible.

Well, I can see you gave what I said a lot of thought; about a whole ten seconds.
 
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I'm not sure I quite understand why you think that TE is unscientific when the ideas behind it are based on science? (unlike six day creationism)

Maybe you explained in your post, but I'm not sure I get it.

You should deal with the Word of God first. His Word on the matter is final and not the so-called 'experts'. There is no evolution in God's word and all believed in the six days of creation among the Jews and early Christians. You would be hard pressed to find an exception.

Secondly, because the tenants of evolution itself are not scientific.

1. Stellar evolution violates the 1st Law of Thermodynamics. "Matter can neither be created nor destroyed" (wikipedia) by any natural process.

2. The 2nd law of Thermodynamics (entropy - a measure of the disorder of a system) {Am. College Dictionary}. The world is degenerating not evolving according to both this law and the Word of God. Rom. 8:22, Psalm 102:26, etc.

3. The Law of Biogenesis; life comes from life. But modern atheistic evolutionists claim that life could have generated from non-living matter and they have spent countless millions in the laboratory to prove that 'fact'. They've never done it.

4. Living fossils. Not one of them reveals a change from one type of organism to another. There are thousands of them but none reveal a change in type, kind, family, or anything else except on the species level within the aforementioned families.

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it doesn't make any difference if one considers a fern, or a toad, or a fish like the coelacanth; there is no essential change from the kinds that God created to begin with.

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The above depicted organisms have not changed over what is supposed to have been millions of yrs of evolution. Living organisms are in a state of stasis (Mendel) and conform to what God said, "After his kind". You won't ever observe anything else...except in artist renditions done by evolutionists.

There is no genetic change from one organism to a classifiably different organism. SO.............if you're looking for OBSERVED evidence of any change in living organisms you could do no better than to examine what biological fossilized organisms have as living ancestors. What I just posted for you is just a sampling of DIRECT, OBSERVED evidence against evolution. Just go to AOL image page and type in 'living fossils' or 'living fossils in amber' and see for yourself the voluminous testimony of nature against Darwinian evolution. Go for it.

Perhaps then the light might come on for you and you will see the necessity to toss out Darwinian evolution. I did, years ago.

Best wishes.
 
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1. Stellar evolution violates the 1st Law of Thermodynamics. "Matter can neither be created nor destroyed" (wikipedia) by any natural process.

Um, ever heard of E=mc2? It states that, basically, matter and energy are interchangeable. We see this in nuclear reactions and it is E=mc2 that allows radioactive materials to produce large amounts of energy without vanishing incredibly quickly before our eyes. This is because Einstein's equation states that matter contains huge amounts of energy and in processes such as radioactivity, the conversion is very efficient, allowing large amounts of energy to be given out with a relatively small loss of mass (ie. radioactive elements with half lives of millions of years).

The principal of the conservation of matter (as I'm sure you read in your wikipedia research) only applies in a isolated system (ie. one where there is no matter or energy transfer with the outside - the Sun fulfils niether of these definitions).

So I'm not sure what it is about stellar evolution you find so bad. Is it simply that it uses the word 'evolution'? Stellar evolution describes the life cycle of a star so I'm not sure what the relevance of it is to a discussion of theistic evolution.
 
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Um, ever heard of E=mc2? It states that, basically, matter and energy are interchangeable. We see this in nuclear reactions and it is E=mc2 that allows radioactive materials to produce large amounts of energy without vanishing incredibly quickly before our eyes. This is because Einstein's equation states that matter contains huge amounts of energy and in processes such as radioactivity, the conversion is very efficient, allowing large amounts of energy to be given out with a relatively small loss of mass (ie. radioactive elements with half lives of millions of years).

The principal of the conservation of matter (as I'm sure you read in your wikipedia research) only applies in a isolated system (ie. one where there is no matter or energy transfer with the outside - the Sun fulfils niether of these definitions).

So I'm not sure what it is about stellar evolution you find so bad. Is it simply that it uses the word 'evolution'? Stellar evolution describes the life cycle of a star so I'm not sure what the relevance of it is to a discussion of theistic evolution.

True, E = mc2, but in the end of things all natural processes degenerate. It is the reason why we get older, wear out, get gray hair, wrinkles, skin contusions, warts, and eventually the body wears out and dies. All living things die. All physical objects wear out. etc. That's the curse of Genesis 3 upon sin which is seen in the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

There is no stellar evolution. It doesn't exist. Neither was there any such thing as the Big Bang. The fact is, the 'Big Bang' has not occurred yet. II Peter 3:12.

You didn't comment on the living fossils. Why?

Have a nice day.
 
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Kirkwhisper said:
There is no stellar evolution. It doesn't exist. Neither was there any such thing as the Big Bang. The fact is, the 'Big Bang' has not occurred yet. II Peter 3:12.
I'm surprised when creationists say the Big Bang didn't happen. Many other Christians use it to show that the universe had a definite begining, rather than having existed forever.
 
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True, E = mc2, but in the end of things all natural processes degenerate. It is the reason why we get older, wear out, get gray hair, wrinkles, skin contusions, warts, and eventually the body wears out and dies. All living things die. All physical objects wear out. etc. That's the curse of Genesis 3 upon sin which is seen in the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

There is no stellar evolution. It doesn't exist. Neither was there any such thing as the Big Bang. The fact is, the 'Big Bang' has not occurred yet. II Peter 3:12.

You didn't comment on the living fossils. Why?

Have a nice day.

If there isn't stellar evolution, how does the sun work then?

I haven't commented on the living fossils yet because I wanted to look at one issue at a time, rather than confuse things.
 
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If there isn't stellar evolution, how does the sun work then?

I haven't commented on the living fossils yet because I wanted to look at one issue at a time, rather than confuse things.

From the original perfection in which God created it, it is degenerating moment by moment. The fuel inside is not being replaced.

In fact, all the energy of the universe is burning up slowly and is becoming less available with each passing moment. If the Lord tarries the universe and everything in it will become totally inert.

Proof:

Physicists describe grim end of the world

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[SIZE=-2]January 15, 1997[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-2]Web posted at: 10:20 p.m. EST (0320 GMT)[/SIZE]


In this story:
TORONTO (CNN) -- Scientists have been pondering for years how the universe will end, and now two University of Michigan astrophysicists have come up with a scenario that may make everyone breathe a little easier.
The good news is that the end is not near. The bad news is that when it does come, it's not going to be pretty.
The stars, the sun and the earth will die -- evaporating into radiation -- and there will be no light, only a vast soup of subatomic particles.

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9701/15/end.universe/

That, my friend, is called degeneration, the practical effects of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

...because I wanted to look at one issue at a time, rather than confuse things.

That's fine. Best wishes.
 
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From the original perfection in which God created it, it is degenerating moment by moment. The fuel inside is not being replaced.

How does that explain how the sun works? Did I say that the fuel inside is being replaced? Does anyone say that? If so, stars would last forever, which is clearly impossible.

I don't see how the rest of your post, which is an interesting theory I have read before, is somehow proof against stellar evolution or TE.

Best wishes to you too, brother. :)
 
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How does that explain how the sun works? Did I say that the fuel inside is being replaced? Does anyone say that? If so, stars would last forever, which is clearly impossible.

I agree. If that were true then perpetual motion would also be possible but it isn't, because of the 2nd Law.

I don't see how the rest of your post, which is an interesting theory I have read before, is somehow proof against stellar evolution or TE.

O.k., well, Carl Sagan and those like him said that the Big Bang occurred some 14 billion yrs ago (without, of course, an observer to verify it) and that all matter was tightly packed into a space smaller than a pin-head. They called it a 'singularity' and from that 'singularity' all the matter of the universe originated. THAT, my friend, is a violation of what we know to be the 1st Law of Thermodynamics.

Quote: "The law states that energy can be transformed, i.e. changed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed." Wikipedia.

The idea is that nature cannot create. Only God can (supernaturally) create. That's why we call Him the Creator.

Best wishes to you too, brother. :)

Thanks.
 
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Secondly, because the tenants of evolution itself are not scientific.
I ignore your comments about biblical interpretation because there's no point in discussing them: we have such very different understandings of what it means for scripture to be inspired and how texts work that we have no common ground. Now, however, you're making scientific statements, and in that arena there are objective standards.

1. Stellar evolution violates the 1st Law of Thermodynamics. "Matter can neither be created nor destroyed" (wikipedia) by any natural process.
That's not the First Law of Thermodynamics, and you're not quoting Wikipedia on the 1st Law. the 1st Law says nothing about matter, and stellar evolution most certainly does not violate the (real) law.

2. The 2nd law of Thermodynamics (entropy - a measure of the disorder of a system) {Am. College Dictionary}. The world is degenerating not evolving according to both this law and the Word of God. Rom. 8:22, Psalm 102:26, etc.
Evolution does not violate the 2nd Law. If you wish to show that it does, please write down the equation for the law you're using and show how the steps in evolution (reproduction with variation, differential success) are in contradiction to that equation. Note: "disorder increases" is not a statement of the 2nd Law; it's a vague attempt to explain the law to people who don't understand it.

3. The Law of Biogenesis; life comes from life. But modern atheistic evolutionists claim that life could have generated from non-living matter and they have spent countless millions in the laboratory to prove that 'fact'. They've never done it.
There is no scientific law that says life cannot arise from nonlife. Pasteur showed that spontaneous generation -- the sudden appearance of modern organisms from non-living matter -- does not occur, but no one has ever done an experiment showing that life can only come from life.

4. Living fossils. Not one of them reveals a change from one type of organism to another. There are thousands of them but none reveal a change in type, kind, family, or anything else except on the species level within the aforementioned families.
Sorry, but living fossils prove nothing of the sort. Nowhere does evolutionary biology claim that all lineages have to evolve at the same rate, or evolve measurably at all. And for all of the living fossils there are (I'd like to see support for there being thousands, by the way), there are hundreds of millions of organisms, living and fossil, that do show lots of change over time. Why did you leave them out?

it doesn't make any difference if one considers a fern, or a toad, or a fish like the coelacanth; there is no essential change from the kinds that God created to begin with.
So why are there no mammals in early strata? Why are there no trilobites in later strata? Why do dinosaurs appear only in a specific range of strata? Why do ferns look different from earlier plants? Why do coelecanths look different from earlier fishes? Why do toads look different from earlier amphibians?

Look, biology is a real science practiced by real scientists who actually know quite a bit about how the real world. These kind of arguments against science, based on misrepresentation, error and careful avoidance of the mountains of evidence for biological evolution, are not at all helpful to either science or Christianity.
 
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sfs:

I ignore your comments about biblical interpretation because there's no point in discussing them: we have such very different understandings of what it means for scripture to be inspired and how texts work that we have no common ground.

Of course you'll ignore the biblical aspect of my position. You would have a very, very hard time refuting it. But I am certainly not alone in that understanding.

Now, however, you're making scientific statements, and in that arena there are objective standards.

Go for it.

That's not the First Law of Thermodynamics, and you're not quoting Wikipedia on the 1st Law. the 1st Law says nothing about matter, and stellar evolution most certainly does not violate the (real) law.

You don't know what you're talking about. Don't even try to tell a retired science/history teacher that I did not quote the 1st Law of Thermodynamics correctly because you are not telling the truth. Proof:

Quote: Directly from Wikipedia; (copied and pasted in fact!)...
First law of thermodynamics

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The first law of thermodynamics is an expression of the principle of conservation of energy.
The law states that energy can be transformed, i.e. changed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed.

Evolution does not violate the 2nd Law. If you wish to show that it does, please write down the equation for the law you're using and show how the steps in evolution (reproduction with variation, differential success) are in contradiction to that equation. Note: "disorder increases" is not a statement of the 2nd Law;

You are just full of lies.

Quote: (From the Oxford University Dictionary of Physics) "A measure of the unavailability of a systems energy. ..all real processes are to a certain extent irreversible changes and in any closed system an irreversible change is always accompanied by an increase in entropy. In a wider sense entropy can be interpreted as a measure of disorder; the higher the entropy the greater the disorder."

So even one of the leading universities (Oxford) that holds to Darwinian evolution tells us you are wrong.

There is no scientific law that says life cannot arise from nonlife.

You lied again.

Quote: The Law of Biogenesis - (from Biology Online)
Law of biogenesis

Definition
noun
(1) The principle stating that life arises from pre-existing life, not from nonliving material.

Also; Quote: "In the field of biology, one of the most commonly accepted and widely used laws of science is the law of biogenesis. This law was set forth many years ago to dictate what both theory and experimental evidence showed to be true among living organisms—that life comes only from preceding life, and perpetuates itself by reproducing only its own kind or type." Apologetics Press.

Now, you may offer an apology to the readers here for a direct, bald-faced lies any time now.

Why go further with you? You are clearly totally brainwashed by Orwellian type 'professors' who tout the party line: Darwin is right, the Bible is wrong.

But God's Word still stands and there is nothing you can do about it.
 
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You don't know what you're talking about. Don't even try to tell a retired science/history teacher that I did not quote the 1st Law of Thermodynamics correctly because you are not telling the truth. Proof:

Quote: Directly from Wikipedia; (copied and pasted in fact!)...
First law of thermodynamics

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The first law of thermodynamics is an expression of the principle of conservation of energy.
The law states that energy can be transformed, i.e. changed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed.

Pity your students. Did they have to suffer such limp insults as well, or are they reserved for devilutionists? In any case:

1. Stellar evolution violates the 1st Law of Thermodynamics. "Matter can neither be created nor destroyed" (wikipedia) by any natural process.

Is this, or is this not, a (entirely decontextualized, too!) citation of the 1st Law of Thermodynamics as saying that matter is conserved?
 
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