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I noticed.I am not reading whole chapters
I'm referring to not reading whole chapter to find your out of context scripture.I noticed.
Says the person who almost never quotes scripture to back up their statements.If you read the whole chapters, you would see that your isolated verses taken out of context you use to defend the SDA theology are not saying what you think they are saying.
I have many times and it doesn't say what you're claiming.Read the whole letter to Galatians, its not that long, and see for yourself what the Christian theology regarding the Law is.
Well, the vast majority of Christianity thinks it does say what I am claiming. You do not see it, but thats your struggle.I have many times and it doesn't say what you're claiming.
This has to be intentional misrepresentation on your part: since you've been reading my posts you have to know that I am doing nothing of the sort.Making Jesus a sinner, means you are making Jesus is a liar because He said He kept all of His Fathers commandments John 15:10 and is without sin 1 Peter 2:22
Jesus never told us to follow the vast majority but to follow His Word, which is the lighted path. Psalms 119:105Well, the vast majority of Christianity thinks it does say what I am claiming. You do not see it, but thats your struggle.
Jesus said He never broke the commandments John 15:10 I believe Jesus.This has to be intentional misrepresentation on your part: since you've been reading my posts you have to know that I am doing nothing of the sort.
More specifically, you must certainly know that I have a perfectly coherent argument whereby Jesus "breaks" the law without sinning.
The fact that this argument is coherent does not mean that it is necessarily correct, but it does prove that you are deceiving readers when you tell them that I am making Jesus a sinner.
Verses taken out of context are not His Word. They are His Word only in their proper context.Jesus never told us to follow the vast majority but to follow His Word, which is the lighted path. Psalms 119:105
Well you have your chance to prove it through scripture but yet still use your words instead.Verses taken out of context are not His Word. They are His Word only in their proper context.
No, I am telling you to read the letter to Galatians, as a whole letter, as it was intended to be read.Well you have your chance to prove it through scripture but yet still use your words instead.
Take care.
For technical reasons I cannot, right now least, paste specific biblical texts in. However, the case that the law of Moses is for Jews only is overwhelming. In Leviticus 20 for example, verse 25 or 26, we have God saying that the food laws were given to separate the nation of Israel from the rest of the world. How is this not devastating evidence that the law of Moses is only for Israel?Prove this through scripture.
This is not the point, and I suggest you know it. You have intentionally misrepresented me by suggesting that my view puts Jesus in the position of being a sinner. You seem unable, or unwilling, to understand the difference between disagreeing with me, on the one hand, and spreading the falsehood that my view entails putting Jesus in the position of being a sinner, on the other.Jesus said He never broke the commandments John 15:10 I believe Jesus.
This thread is full of such texts, anyway.For technical reasons I cannot, right now least, paste specific biblical texts in. However, the case that the law of Moses is for Jews only is overwhelming. In Leviticus 20 for example, verse 25 or 26, we have God saying that the food laws were given to separate the nation of Israel from the rest of the world. How is this not devastating evidence that the law of Moses is only for Israel?
Fast forward to the New Testament. In Romans 2, around verse 12 and after, Paul makes a very clear distinction between those who are under the law and those who are not. The former are of course Jews, the latter Gentiles. Granted, Paul does refer to Gentiles obeying a form of law but, in context, it cannot be the written code of the law of Moses.
But forget about Romans 2. At the end of Romans 3 there are a couple of verses that cannot be misunderstood except through willful intention. In those verses, Paul clearly demonstrates that he believes that the law is for Jews only. His argument, and his words are very clear on this, is that if justification were based on the law, only Jews would be justified.
The logic here is ironclad: such a statement only makes sense if Paul understands that the law was only given to Israel.
Not the point, you are claiming Jesus broke the Sabbath commandment and Jesus in His own words said He kept all of the commandments. I believe Jesus.This is not the point, and I suggest you know it. You have intentionally misrepresented me by suggesting that my view puts Jesus in the position of being a sinner. You seem unable, or unwilling, to understand the difference between disagreeing with me, on the one hand, and spreading the falsehood that my view entails putting Jesus in the position of being a sinner, on the other.
This is obviously not the case has any reader with their wits about them will know if they read my posts.
You are free to disagree with me, you are not free to misrepresent to others what I am saying.
For whoever is interested, we have to follow the majority in some way, otherwise we don't have a Bible. Just a collection of ancient documents. Maybe they are scripture, maybe not.Jesus never told us to follow the vast majority but to follow His Word, which is the lighted path. Psalms 119:105
So Gentiles do not have to keep the greatest commandments to love God with all thy heart or love thy neighbor from the law of Moses- where did you find that text.For technical reasons I cannot, right now least, paste specific biblical texts in. However, the case that the law of Moses is for Jews
Lets quote the Textonly is overwhelming. In Leviticus 20 for example, verse 25 or 26, we have God saying that the food laws were give
Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.Fast forward to the New Testament. In Romans 2, around verse 12 and after, Paul makes a very clear distinction between those who are under the law and those who are not. The former are of course Jews, the latter Gentiles. Granted, Paul does refer to Gentiles obeying a form of law but, in context, it cannot be the written code of the law of Moses.
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. 29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.But forget about Romans 2. At the end of Romans 3 there are a couple of verses that cannot be misunderstood except through willful intention. In those verses, Paul clearly demonstrates that he believes that the law is for Jews only. His argument, and his words are very clear on this, is that if justification were based on the law, only Jews would be justified.
The logic here is ironclad: such a statement only makes sense if Paul understands that the law was only given to Israel.
Nice dodge, I see you have now altered your claim. You had falsely claimed that I had put Jesus in the position of being a liar. Apparently you think falsely characterizing the views of others is beside the point. Let other readers judge whether they think that's true.Not the point, you are claiming Jesus broke the Sabbath commandment and Jesus in His own words said He kept all of the commandments. I believe Jesus.
Nice dodge, I see you have now altered your claim. You had falsely claimed that I had put Jesus in the position of being a liar. Apparently you think falsely characterizing the views of others is beside the point. Let other readers judge whether they think that's true.
I have indeed repeatedly said that Jesus broke the law.
What an outrageous statement, you have some gall.These are your words, not mine
Nor the Words of Jesus who never broke the Sabbath commandment or any law for that matter. And in stating and believing this is crucifying Jesus all over again.
No.We establish the animal sacrifices in the law of Moses by believe in Jesus, yes.
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Edit: by believing in Jesus...
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