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Your explanation precisely sums up how I think about Sola Scriptura. Brilliant explanation. Those who read the Bible need the Spirit, so it is not the Bible alone. The Spirit illuminates and leads us into all truth. The bible alone does not bring anyone to salvation. Only by the Spirit is a person awakened.So much to say. I made this post that should answer most of my response
The Rule of faith and practice is not scripture "alone"
Your explanation precisely sums up how I think about Sola Scriptura. Brilliant explanation. Those who read the Bible need the Spirit, so it is not the Bible alone. The Spirit illuminates and leads us into all truth. The bible alone does not bring anyone to salvation. Only by the Spirit is a person awakened.
Hairs that need to be split. The bible has become an idol for many. They turn to the bible rather than God. These are not the same thing!Now that is just splitting hairs, does every single syllable need to spelled out for you people to understand, no wonder you don't with that kind of mentality.
Hairs that need to be split. The bible has become an idol for many. They turn to the bible rather than God. These are not the same thing!
I had a dream once that helped me. In the dream were two men, one to my right and one to my left. I turned to the man I trusted because of his great preaching. After turning I realised the other man was Jesus. I understood even in my dream how God was teaching me to trust Him over anything or anyone. That I was placing too much trust in people and other things.
Everyone thinks God needs the bible. But as @JAL has continually challenged, those who wrote the bible had no bible. And those before the bible only had the Voice. Those who trust in the written word are called out for it by Jesus. The irony in all of this is how the bible teaches us not to hold a Sole Scriptura view!
The bible is a signpost. And that's all it is. Nothing more.
Another misconception about what Sola Scriptura means.Your explanation precisely sums up how I think about Sola Scriptura. Brilliant explanation. Those who read the Bible need the Spirit, so it is not the Bible alone. .
So then Abraham shouldn't have heeded any voices, then, as he had no Scripture to test them?
And I suppose you think the
And I suppose the angels have to carry Bibles around to test any voice they might hear? Please tell me how the angels distinguish God's voice - reliably - from a possible counterfeit.
Looks like, on your assumptions, that Adam and Eve did the right thing, when they disobeyed the Voice of God in the garden. After all, they didn't have Scripture to test it.
And how stupid you apparently think Noah was - to spend all that time building an ark, with no Scripture to prove that building an ark was God's will!
So we celebrate Abraham for trying to kill his son, and we celebrate Moses and Joshua for trying to slaughter 7 nations, because they were faithful to obey voices that, according to you:Why not there was no written Word only the spoken Word of God back in Abrahams day and to all those who believed and followed God.
Nonsense. I posted the scriptures showing what God's Word says is the standard of all righteousness; GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS which are God's 10 commandments which give us the knowledge of Good and evil *PSALMS 119:172; ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11 and 1 JOHN 3:4. These are God's MAXIMS to know what GOOD and EVIL are. You provide a maxim that is based on your thoughts and feelings that God says we should never trust *JEREMIAH 17:9-10. This is proof that your maxims are not God's and but simply your own based on a deceitful heart therefore are not true because you have no standard of what is right and what is wrong and you reject God's definition of such written through His Word and with his own finger.You keep saying that your OP was an on-point rebuttal of my 16 points. I'll humor you momentarily on this allegation. You said:
Where in that statement is even one hypothetical scenario that runs contrary to the maxim? The maxim was proposed as an obvious counterexample to Sola Scriptura. All you've done is respond, "Sola Scriptura is true, not your maxim." But you've done nothing to discredit the maxim!
Soo what is your point here in relation to what I have posted? You have not made one except to talk about things no one is talking about which is unrelated to my post to you.You insinuate that the ten commandments tell us everything we need to know about righteousness. You mean like this command:
"Thou shall not kill." And yet Moses and Joshua purposed to slaughter 7 nations to lay hold of Canaan. And Heb 3 and 4 says they were right to do it. God's law is unchanging only in the sense that the spirit of the law - its underlying meaning - is love. But the specifics of how to fulfill it vary from situation to situation, individual to individual, and nation to nation - and it can even involve one nation slaughtering another (viz. going to battle against Hitler)
You claim that the ten commandments are God's written Word. Actually they began as God's spoken Word. They were authoritative because the Voice is authoritative in whatever it spoke TO ISRAEL. Again, God can speak a very different set of commands to me today because I'm not Israel. The written Word can't tell me the specifics of God's will FOR ME - it can only assure me that God's will is always love and righteousness, in the final analysis.
1. Scripture is God's revelation given to all believers. Sola Scriptura does not include occasional apparitions, visions, or anything else received by a few individuals at times but which don't represent a guide to the beliefs that are expected of all believers.Why not there was no written Word only the spoken Word of God back in Abrahams day and to all those who believed and followed God.
So much to say. I made this post that should answer most of my response
Where can we read it for ourselves? That's right, it's not available outside of the pages of Scripture.Already answered see previous post. Before the written word was the spoken Word of God.
1. Scripture is God's revelation given to all believers. Sola Scriptura does not include occasional apparitions, visions, or anything else received by a few individuals at times but which don't represent a guide to the beliefs that are expected of all believers.
2. The post I think you are referring to said this:
"Brilliant explanation. Those who read the Bible need the Spirit, so it is not the Bible alone. The Spirit illuminates and leads us into all truth."
Sola Scriptura does not deal with the ability or inability of any reader to understand the contents of the Bible.
It goes without saying that understanding the Bible is important if one is to benefit from the word, but that's not what the term refers to.
Actually it is..GENESIS 3:1-3; 9; 11-19 8:15; 9:8; 24:7; 31:11 etcWhere can we read it for ourselves? That's right, it's not available outside of the pages of Scripture.
Actually that is not true. Sola scriptura is in reference to the Word of God being the final test of all truth.
Certainly not. It teaches that Holy Scripture IS divine revelation.It does not teach or does it say anywhere that there is no divine revelation.
Last I checked, Genesis IS part of the Bible.Actually it is..GENESIS 3:1-3; 9; 11-19 8:15; 9:8; 24:7; 31:11 etc
Where can we read it for ourselves? That's right, it's not available outside of the pages of Scripture.
Based on feeling? Suppose I claimed that God were evil. You'd rebut that, based on Scripture, right? And I'd agree with you. Because YOU said that if a belief is known to contradict Scripture, we should reject it. No complaint there. And you'd be right - and that's precisely why you should accept the maxim. Let me explain:You provide a maxim that is based on your thoughts and feelings...
Another misconception about what Sola Scriptura means.
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