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So when Paul talks of appointing particular men as bishops he's saying to appoint them as Jesus?
You're welcome to join.What? Do you belong to a private country club?
Funny that you accept the Catholic definition of Catholic!Hint: Christ established ONLY one universal church.
You're also confused on who'd deflecting. Unable to defend your own position you've been (quite successfully) getting us to address your goal-shift. For that I'm sure you deserve some recognition.Deflecting does not help your argument.
That's another piece of illogic.Both your denomination and the RC claim to be the "one true" church but you have radically different "T"raditions including the "apostolic succession". Both of your traditions can not be true so how do you know which one (if any) is true?
When it comes to doctrinal diviation of the truth (i.e. Arian controversy etc) then Tradition becomes a necessity IMHO. To me if one is orthodox (small o) that is because of Tradition. The councils are part of that... or we will have lots of Protestants who are Arian in their theology...so IMHO tradition as in dogma has passed into the Protestant Churches... Or the Holy Trinity... as much as someone tries to detach himself from it ... they still cannot.... Can we be orthodox Christians if we get rid of the councils? NOPE we will have to deny the canon of the Bible...too.. Makes sense??
1 Timothy 3: 1 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous;Post the verse.
I know what the EO believes but that, in it self, does not justify the EO's argument of the co-authority of scripture and tradition. Again, the RC has different "T"raditions than the EO which has different "T'raditions than other tradition plus scripture churches. Basically we have ONE word of God and many "T"raditions making "T"raditions subjective to which church one belongs to.
You're welcome to join.
Funny that you accept the Catholic definition of Catholic!
You're also confused on who'd deflecting. Unable to defend your own position you've been (quite successfully) getting us to address your goal-shift. For that I'm sure you deserve some recognition.
You questioned what those traditions are, not whether they're correct or not.
I can not know if they are correct or not unless I know what they are.
You asked for a list. Twice now you've shot down your own refutation by admitting you know what we believe.
I'm yet to get the list.
As noted, you refute yourself by arguing against us here.I am already part of the one true church. Your denomination is part of it too.
It is both. Sometimes that happens in EnglishActually I do not. Catholic is an adjective not a noun.
You shifted from demanding a list, to not.What goal shift? You claim that scriptures are co-authoritative with Tradition but you can not quantify Tradition so excuse me if we don't just take your word for it.
So who's "T"raditions are the "true" (TM) Traditions? Yours? The RC's? Other tradition plus scripture denomination's?
So when Paul talks of appointing particular men as bishops he's saying to appoint them as Jesus?
You said you know what we believe. You've said it twice now!I can not know if they are correct or not unless I know what they are.
I'm yet to get the list.
Well they do have their personal Jesus
Actually Jesus is very personal. I can go straight to Him, without the intercession of a priest, a pastor, or praying to any saint in heaven or to Mary. As a matter of fact, the Bible says I can approach God's throne with confidence, so that I may receive His mercy and grace to help me in my time of need (Hebrews 4:16). Since Jesus is the only Mediator between me and God (1 Timothy 2:5), and He is my Savior and Lord, I would say that is very personal.
It's funny you can say that yet you need to quote an authority of scriputre to me to do so
God works through other men.
Indeed. Imagine being flip about a brother's personal relationship with Jesus.Actually Jesus is very personal. I can go straight to Him, without the intercession of a priest, a pastor, or praying to any saint in heaven or to Mary. As a matter of fact, the Bible says I can approach God's throne with confidence, so that I may receive His mercy and grace to help me in my time of need (Hebrews 4:16). Since Jesus is the only Mediator between me and God (1 Timothy 2:5), and He is my Savior and Lord, I would say that is very personal.
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