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That's not what baptism means, and I'm sorry that you've downgraded it to that level.
As far as I am aware the only Scriptural description as to what Baptism is is Peter saying that it's "the pledge of a good conscience towards God"(NIV). That seems close to what Lisa-lisa is saying. Perhaps you could share with us what you believe it to be. Warning!!!!-I doubt many here will be interested in a long drawn out contemplative meditation on the meaning of baptism. Personally, I feel that to whatever degree a person understands their spiritual walk at the present; that is where God has them. At least Lisa didn't say that she believed it to cleanse her from all the microscopic demons in her hair that constantly urged her to do bad things!!
As far as I am aware the only Scriptural description as to what Baptism is is Peter saying that it's "the pledge of a good conscience towards God"(NIV). That seems close to what Lisa-lisa is saying. Perhaps you could share with us what you believe it to be. Warning!!!!-I doubt many here will be interested in a long drawn out contemplative meditation on the meaning of baptism. Personally, I feel that to whatever degree a person understands their spiritual walk at the present; that is where God has them. At least Lisa didn't say that she believed it to cleanse her from all the microscopic demons in her hair that constantly urged her to do bad things!!
Has satan really got the church so divided that you can't agree for one minute to put you doctrines aside and answer the question?
Indeed, the NT clearly states that Baptism is for our salvation.
Now I can see why you asked this question. You were once of them and your mind is still affected.You look at appearances. God looks at the heart.
Please do attend church if you're going to keep on believing that Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians. They are not of God.
Only Christians, Catholics, and Jews.
Some Christians are of God. Some Christians are of Satan.
Some Catholics are of God. Some Catholics are of Satan.
Some Jews are of God. Some Jews are of Satan.
All other religions are of the devil.
Thanks!I didn't see the post that you quoted.
Actually, it does include judging them - if they are on the road to hell (of course, we can't read the heart - but we are going by what they publically profess), is it really loving to sit back and tell them they're doing just fine? Or to warn them and point them to the right Way?Notice it doesn't say to "love only your christian neighbor", it says love your neighbor. Does loving your neighbor include judging them? NO. Does loving your neighbor include degrading their style of worship? NO. Does loving your neighbor include telling another christian that their love for god isn't good enough? No.
Yes. Christianity IS judgmental. We claim that there is only One Way to heaven - and that all other religions are flat out wrong. I, for one, am certainly not ashamed of not compromising on the Truth. The pagans in the Roman Empire thought the Christians were being judgmental as well, but denouncing their gods as false - and declared Christianity illegal and persecuted them. This didn't cause them to compromise on their beliefs then, so why should we compromise now?I'll tell you something else. When I was a new ager, I would hear so much distain for christians, because of the type of attitude that I heard here in this thread. That's why people of other faiths can't deal with christianity. They say that christians are judgemental and petty. Well, I can't deny that, it's true. Don't believe me, just read through this thread again.
What's the point of it? My church is in my home, my backyard, my car, my mother's house, my daughter's house, my church is wherever I am because the kingdom of god is inside me and god is literally everywhere.
The gospel of Thomas recorded Jesus words as "Where there are two or one, I am with him." Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."
I've never found church to be a place of inspiration, rather the opposite. I"m inspired by the beauty of nature, not the opulence of a man made building.
I"ve always found church to be nothing more then a social function, a political arena, a fashion show, and a place of showy displays.
I see a multi million dollar building, and then a homeless man sleeping in a cardboard box across the street. I see people spending millions of dollars to support this building, while many of the people there are hungry and in need of help. I see preachers living in mansions and driving BMW's while I'm struggling to pay my mortgage every month. I see social clicks, snobby people, unwelcoming to strangers when I go to church. I see alot of talk and not alot of practical doing, it's like a big production without substance.
Recently, my mom found one tiny neighborhood church that is very downscale, humble, modest, so I might check it out, (even tho I vowed to never attend church again) but the big ones make me sick. But, I dont' really even see the point of going.
So..........what's the point? Please explain it to me since I seem to be the oddball around here.
Did Jesus never judge? Did Jesus never tell people that their style of worship wasn't good enough? Did Jesus never tell people that their "love for God" wasn't good enough?
Yes, Jesus did. You are not Jesus.
But He did leave the Holy Spirit to guide his Bride, the Church...so yes, while my individual judging is probably me being spiteful, when the Church declares something, it's a good idea at least to listen and think about it. The Church declared long ago which teachings were Christian and which were heretical...and yes, I will judge every group I come across to make sure that I'm not getting mixed up in heresy.Yes, Jesus did. You are not Jesus.
Lisa*Lisa,
I have a question for you because I just noticed what you wrote in your very first post. You said that you saw a multi-million dollar building and a homeless man sleeping across and that seem to disguise you, my question to you is this:
What did you do to help the homeless when you saw that scene???
If you did nothing, then I have come to the conclusion that we can all criticize the church for not doing its part, but if we are Christians, then we also have a responsibility to help. We cannot critic the church for not doing enough to stop some of the problems in this world and yet we stand around and do nothing. It becomes an unfair assessment of judging the church....especially if we do nothing and we are part of that church.
As far as I am aware the only Scriptural description as to what Baptism is is Peter saying that it's "the pledge of a good conscience towards God"(NIV). That seems close to what Lisa-lisa is saying. Perhaps you could share with us what you believe it to be. Warning!!!!-I doubt many here will be interested in a long drawn out contemplative meditation on the meaning of baptism. Personally, I feel that to whatever degree a person understands their spiritual walk at the present; that is where God has them. At least Lisa didn't say that she believed it to cleanse her from all the microscopic demons in her hair that constantly urged her to do bad things!!
Thanks for the answer, but I wanted to know if you helped that specific homeless person that you saw across the big church building. I ask that because if the answer is you did not help him/her, then why were you so critical of the big church building? And how did you know that those who were in the big church building didn't help that specific homeless person?When I see a homeless person, I drive to the nearest fast food place, buy a meal, and then take it to him. I've never had one refuse the meal that I offer, they are always grateful, and the funny thing is that usually they reply with "god bless you" instead of "thank you" which I usually find a bit strange, but very nice. I've often wondered if any of them were angels in disguise.
If there isn't a fast food place around, I give him enough cash to buy a meal, or whatever cash I have in my wallet at the time, which usually isn't much more then a few dollars. I usually use my credit card to buy the food.
I"m not tooting my own horn here, you asked the question and I'm answering it. I've often dreamed of opening a local soup kitchen, but I don't have the money to do it. I"m barely making it each month, and I might loose my home to foreclosure soon if I'm not able to sell it.
I was baptized when I became one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I don't think it matters exactly who baptizes you as it's a symbolic display of your faith. It's between you and God, not the person doing the dunking.
Thanks for the answer, but I wanted to know if you helped that specific homeless person that you saw across the big church building. I ask that because if the answer is you did not help him/her, then why were you so critical of the big church building? And how did you know that those who were in the big church building didn't help that specific homeless person?
When I see a homeless person, I drive to the nearest fast food place, buy a meal, and then take it to him. I've never had one refuse the meal that I offer, they are always grateful, and the funny thing is that usually they reply with "god bless you" instead of "thank you" which I usually find a bit strange, but very nice. I've often wondered if any of them were angels in disguise.
If there isn't a fast food place around, I give him enough cash to buy a meal, or whatever cash I have in my wallet at the time, which usually isn't much more then a few dollars. I usually use my credit card to buy the food.
I"m not tooting my own horn here, you asked the question and I'm answering it. I've often dreamed of opening a local soup kitchen, but I don't have the money to do it. I"m barely making it each month, and I might loose my home to foreclosure soon if I'm not able to sell it.
What a beautiful heart!
I would encourage you to find a soup kitchen already in services (our local Church in Memphis does it all the time) and give time there when you can. Many hands make light work.
Your forclosure difficulties are something that proper clergy would be willing to help with. (It's why we tithe... it takes a community to do that.)
Forgive me...
Thanks, but I consider it a privilege to be able to help a person in need when God puts them in my path.
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