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76 pages in and not one supporter of creation or intelligent design has given any scientific evidence for their views.
I did and you could not explain HOW ancient men knew and correctly wrote in Gen 1:21 what Science discovered last year. www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life-earth-..Continuing to post your arrogant view is incorrect.
But we've had Bible verses. Don't they count as evidence?76 pages in and not one supporter of creation or intelligent design has given any scientific evidence for their views. And I think the fact that the thread has now truly swung in to Godwin territory shows that we won't actually see any evidence coming soon.
Well, even if you could somehow shoehorn your personal belief into having this one particular verse agree with science (and I don't accept that it does btw), you could not explain HOW ancient men didn't know and incorrectly wrote in pretty much every other meaningful verse if they were allegedly dictated to by a God who knew everything, like Genesis 1:2 (KJV) , Genesis 1:6 (KJV) , Genesis 1:9 (KJV) , Genesis 1:12 (KJV) , Genesis 1:14 (KJV) , Genesis 1:16 (KJV) , Genesis 1:21 (KJV) , Genesis 1:30 (KJV) . How could they get so many other things wrong if it were that they wrote God's own words? It's almost as if you were just lucky to be able to take one verse out of context and declare it agrees with what Science says while ignoring everything else that doesn't agree with Science.I did and you could not explain HOW ancient men knew and correctly wrote in Gen 1:21 what Science discovered last year. www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life-earth-..Continuing to post your arrogant view is incorrect.
Except you didn't. You made the claim that it did, but you didn't present anything even remotely scientific.
Genesis 1:21 states that "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from Water. The scientific Truth that every living creature can be traced to the last universal common ancestor was announced on July 25, 2016.
Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things
Perhaps you didn't read the article? Can you reply now and claim that NO scientific evidence has been presented?
Well, even if you could somehow shoehorn your personal belief into having this one particular verse agree with science (and I don't accept that it does btw), you could not explain HOW ancient men didn't know and incorrectly wrote in pretty much every other meaningful verse if they were allegedly dictated to by a God who knew everything, like Genesis 1:2 (KJV) ,
So, we know how solar systems form, from an accretion disc - the Sun would've already been lit, the solar system would've been a shooting gallery with the debris of first generation star(s) reforming into our solar system, the earth (or what would eventually become earth, because the Earth and Moon are likely the result of a collision of two similar sized worlds) wouldn't have any usable water to speak of (i.e. what water is there would still be in a gaseous or cloud state) and quite rocky, hot & molten. This doesn't agree with Gen 1:2Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
God created the air/heaven and the ground/earth and the ground was without form and empty because there was no God in physical form, to shape it physically and darkness or Death was upon everything God had brought into the physical world apart from Himself. This means that everything made from the air, dust and water He created would be contaminated with death. The invisible Spirit brooded and was displeased at His first sight of the Darkness.
except there wouldn't have been water on the early earth to put a boundary between - This also doesn't agree with Gen 1:6Genesis 1:6 (KJV) , ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
God made a solid metallic boundary, immersed it in water. Anyone can place a solid object in water and divide the waters from the waters. God called the solid boundary of Adam's world Heaven.
This happened the other way around, there was dry hot land well before there was water here. This too doesn't agree with Gen 1:9Genesis 1:9 (KJV) ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
God took some water under the firmament and put it into the empty firmament/heaven. He commanded that dry ground appear on top of the water to an elevation of 22.5 feet. Gen 7:20 This was Adam's flat earth. You too can make a model of Adam's world and I promise you it will be flat.
So, the evidence we have doesn't show grass turning up until the Dinosaurs were well and truly established. This is not in accordance with Gen 1:12Genesis 1:12 (KJV) And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after HIS (Jesus) kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after HIS (Jesus) kind: and God saw that it was good.
The ground brought forth grass, herbs and trees after the kind Jesus made with HIS own Hands. This was AFTER Lord God/Jesus had made Adam. Gen 2:4-9
Stars existed well before Earth and our own Sun did. In fact, the death of other stars is what our Solar System is made of. We have a second generation star as our Sun, this too also doesn't agree with Gen 1:14Genesis 1:14 (KJV) And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
God also made other heavens Gen 2:4 and this is the account of the FIRST Stars lighting up in our Cosmos, the 2nd Heaven. God made at least 3 Heavens/Universes. Gen 2:4
Although the stars came before our Sun, water on Earth, let alone any living thing whatsoever that relies on it, didn't. This doesn't agree with Gen 1:16Genesis 1:16 (KJV) And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
God made the Sun, Moon and Stars to give light upon the Earth. This happened on the 4th Day which was less than one Billion years AFTER the Big Bang of the 3rd Day which began our 2nd Heaven. The Moon's light is no less a light even though it's reflected.
So, Whales didn't come about until around 54 million years ago, well after Mammals were a thing, and of course Whales came from Land animals - not sure of this business between Gen 1 and Gen 2 so I'm just going to ignore it until you all work out who's right - that said, the science doesn't agree with Gen 1:21Genesis 1:21 (KJV) And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after THEIR kind, and every winged fowl after HIS kind: and God saw that it was good.
God created all creatures from the water on the 5th Day which was 3.77 Billion years ago in man's time. Notice the different "kinds". God (Elohim-Their kind) always creates Eternally while Jesus creates the temporary "common ancestors" or His kinds. Jesus made the birds on the 6th Day. Gen 2:19 That's WHY they are called His kinds.
Animals were eating each other well before there were even insects on land, let alone land animals of any kind. This doesn't agree with Gen 1:30 - Imaginings about future happenings can be addressed when....<ahem> or IF - it ever happens.Genesis 1:30 (KJV) And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
This event takes place AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon. Isaiah 11:7 tells us that even Bears and Lions will become vegetarians then.
Well, as provided above, your one contorted verse taken out of context and made to fit what science has found, pales into insignificance when put back in context and placed beside all the other verses for comparison. This is what we would expect for a document written thousands of years ago by people who couldn't possibly understand the universe and how it actually works, as we do today. Sorry...*** How could they get so many other things wrong if it were that they wrote God's own words? It's almost as if you were just lucky to be able to take one verse out of context and declare it agrees with what Science says while ignoring everything else that doesn't agree with Science.
Perhaps you should read the answers to your questions again since they tell of the past, present and future of God's 6 Day/Age Creation.
I'm not sure a God even exists.*** Could it be that these men who wrote the bible are fallible and didn't fully comprehend the word of God? It just seems presumptuous of you to call your God a liar, knowing what we know about his creation now...
I haven't called God a Liar. He's the Author of Genesis and He is also the Spirit of Truth. Be careful when you presume to tell Him what happened since everything He tells us is God's unchangeable Truth. God Bless you
So, we know how solar systems form, from an accretion disc - the Sun would've already been lit, the solar system would've been a shooting gallery with the debris of first generation star(s) reforming into our solar system, the earth (or what would eventually become earth, because the Earth and Moon are likely the result of a collision of two similar sized worlds) wouldn't have any usable water to speak of (i.e. what water is there would still be in a gaseous or cloud state) and quite rocky, hot & molten. This doesn't agree with Gen 1:2
You just saying that the Bible says it counts for nothing.
There is comfort in him trying to convince himself though.
False. Genesis one, written 3k years ago, correctly shows the scientific Truth which ONLY God could have possibly known so long ago. It's empirical (testable) Truth of the existence of the literal physical God. His name is Jesus. Amen?
But it isn't talking about the three elements inside EVERY living creature plus fire, it's talking about waters of the deep, which didn't exist as the Bible describes.Sure it does IF we are speaking of God's creation of the three elements inside EVERY living creature. Air, dust, and water. Add fire from Jesus (breath) and you have life.
Well, No, the Bible explicitly says "Waters" - why are you separating from a plain reading and go to interpreting the Bible? there wasn't water in the form the Bible describes, so it doesn't conform with Science.Sure it does scientifically, since the FIRST creation element is air/heaven. Genesis correctly shows that water was NOT created but came from the air/atmosphere.
Of Course! so if their Theology is incorrect scientifically, then it doesn't match science then, does it?You are trying to force our Cosmos into the creation of air, dust and water. No wonder you are so confused. Ancient Hebrews who live thousands of years before Science could not have known the scientific truth. Their Theology is incorrect scientifically.
I know, so Grass appearing before Dinos doesn't agree with Science then, right?Dinos were NOT made until the 5th Day Gen 1:21 since "every living creature that moves" was made from water on that Day.
Right, so again this doesn't fit with science at all - How does the Earth and grass and seed bearing plants, etc exist before the first stars? (hint: they don't!), so another falsification of your "Bible agrees with Science" idea.Sure it does since Gen 1:14 lists the lighting of the FIRST Stars being on the 4th Day. Recent scientific discoveries show that the FIRST Stars lit up less than a Billion years after the Big Bang at the end of the 3rd Day/Age.
www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/.../astronomers-spot-first-generation-stars-made-big-ba... Remember that each Day is some 4.5 Billion years in man's time.... Adam was made at the beginning of Day 3 BUT our Cosmos began at the end of the 3rd Day/Age.
No, I don't. This isn't what many, many people don't get from your particular interpretation of the Bible. Also, if Adam was made first thing in Genesis 2, that too is equally incompatible with Science, since Humans share a common ancestor with all the other Hominids, as well as Apes, Haploids, Mammals, Placentals, Animals, Vertibrates, Chordates, Eukaryotes, so on *AFTER* all the other cosmos stuff happened to create plants, fish, liquid water, the earth, our solar system, Stars, our universe, etc.You have again confused the events in our Cosmos with Adam's. Don't you know that God the Trinity made Adam's world on the 2nd Day Gen 1:8 but Jesus/Lord God made other worlds/heavens on the NEXT Day, the 3rd Day? Gen 2:4
I get so much more stuff correct than you do - Whales came from LAND ANIMALS which in turn came from water. so God couldn't have made them as Whales straight up because Science tells us they were Land Animals for a long time before going back to the water to live. Your biblical interpretation doesn't match what Science says.Whales, like EVERY other creature came from WATER according to Science. www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life-earth-... Do you ever get anything correct? You seem to be confused because you seem to believe the ancient theology of Hebrews.
That's not what it says, it says that everything that is an animal will eat plants. That disagrees with Science, because that has never been the case in all the history of land animals existing. so it still doesn't make any difference that you interpret it in your own unique way.Genesis 1:30 is Prophecy of FUTURE events which will NOT take place until AFTER Jesus returns. Isaiah 11 shows that the changing of ALL creatures into vegetarians is in the future. Some scientists are as confused as you since they THINK the ancient Hebrews knew the scientific truth. How silly.
Well, again, No! You are adding magic interpretations to the Bible that aren't there. Where does it say it's a prophecy of some future thing that is yet to happen? A plain reading shows it as God instructing Adam and Even to have babies, subdue everything on earth and eat plants & fruit provided, or is it we're not allowed to eat fruits and plants yet? Sorry, still doesn't agree with Science. Dan 12:4 says nothing about Gen 1:28-31 being any kind of 'future prophecy' or anything, so you've made that up too. I didn't think the Bible allowed that... (?)Amen. Now you've got it. God tells Daniel HOW He hid His scientific Truth in Genesis UNTIL the last days. Dan 12:4 Genesis chapter One is the entire History of God's 6 Day/Age Creation including events Gen 1:28-31 which are FUTURE.
I know a majority of the science involved, it seems I know it way better than the Bible does, especially your unusual interpretation of it. Nothing you've said seems to have added anything of value to my understanding of it - if anything, you're just muddying the waters and making it harder for anyone to make sense of it, tbh.Now that you know the correct scientific Truth about Genesis, perhaps you can see that Genesis chapter One IS proof of the literal God. God Bless you
But it isn't talking about the three elements inside EVERY living creature plus fire, it's talking about waters of the deep, which didn't exist as the Bible describes.
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