Golden Yak
Not Worshipped, Far from Idle
There's a bit in there about God scorning those who take their own lives. Keeps the flock from thinning themselves out that way.
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i live to leave a mark on history no matter how small it is and to maybe further our understanding. i wonder although why Christians don't commit suicide to get to heaven faster
i live to leave a mark on history no matter how small it is and to maybe further our understanding. i wonder although why Christians don't commit suicide to get to heaven faster
The question of life's worth must be especially salient to those who believe that a paradise awaits them on the other side of death's door; a heaven in which all earthly concerns fade away and one is immersed in total bliss. Why live when this world - this life - is so dull, cold and pointless in comparison to the promised afterworld and its incomprehensibly euphoric afterlife? Why wonder at nature's beauty when there is something far more beautiful waiting for you? Why study the mysteries of the cosmos when you'll find all the answers you seek simply by passing away? And to think that we atheists are accused of nihilism!
Metaphysical naturalism does not afford you purpose because in such a view, you were not created or made for a purpose.
Correct and that means exactly what I said, in atheism existence or non existence is subjectively good or bad depending on a persons opinion
Depends on whether or not you think the random whims of an unknowable entity can be considered an objective standard in any sense of the phrase.But in Christianity there is an objective good
That's not true. At best you can say that an atheist won't believe in a god-given objective morality. As you've seen it is possible for an atheist to believe in a non-god-given objective morality.
Depends on whether or not you think the random whims of an unknowable entity can be considered an objective standard in any sense of the phrase.
Metaphysical naturalism does not afford you purpose because in such a view, you were not created or made for a purpose.
You just exist like a rock, or a slug, or a fruit fly as a result of natural processes acting on matter over a period of time.
God, by definition, is a character in a book. For anything else you will need more than apologetics.
That's a terrible definition to work/discuss with. As any ancient people can be describe as a character in a book/paper/stone-table/etc.
What do you mean when you say "objective good and objective bad? Is it like math where as anybody who knows how to add will agree that 1+1=2? or how everybody with their sences functioning properly will agree that the grass is green, sugar is sweet, and the brick wall in front of them exist? In other words; do you belive if slavery (for example) were an objective bad, that everybody with morals will agree?Correct and that means exactly what I said, in atheism existence or non existence is subjectively good or bad depending on a persons opinion, there is no objective good or bad in atheism and there is absolutely nothing special about us.
But in Christianity there is an objective good and an objective bad and this is the difference and that is why we say in Christianity that all human beings are special because they were created to be special by our creator God.
What do you mean when you say "objective good and objective bad? Is it like math where as anybody who knows how to add will agree that 1+1=2? or how everybody with their sences functioning properly will agree that the grass is green, sugar is sweet, and the brick wall in front of them exist? In other words; do you belive if slavery (for example) were an objective bad, that everybody with morals will agree?
Ken
In an atheist worldview rape can be ok or not depending on the persons opinion , nothing more.
Please stop speaking for atheists or atheistic worldviews. While there certainly are atheists who are moral subjectivists, there are also atheists, such as myself, who think that there is something more to the evilness of rape than mere opinion. There are atheistic worldviews that aren't morally subjective in the sense you appear to mean.
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Mark
We believe that there is an objective bad and an objective good. Let me give you an example. Let me ask you a question. Do you believe rape is objectively bad or objectively good or subjectively bad or subjectively good. If you believe that rape is objectively bad than it is objectively bad no matter where you are. If you believe in subjective morality (moral relativism) then you don't think rape is objectively good or bad, that it all depends on a persons opinion. I believe that rate is objectively evil no matter where we are on earth, and I argue that most people on this planet also argue this. In an atheist worldview rape can be ok or not depending on the persons opinion , nothing more. Fortunately most people on this planet intuition sense that rape is always evil, but in atheism you cant really tell us that rape is always evil. And yes we believe that there are certain acts that are objectively evil as much as grass is green
In an atheist worldview rape can be ok or not depending on the persons opinion , nothing more. Fortunately most people on this planet intuition sense that rape is always evil, but in atheism you cant really tell us that rape is always evil.
I wouldn't go lobbing stones from inside that glass house you're sitting in, if I were you.
Even if 'god-based' morality had a coherent ontology and workable epistemology to speak of - which it doesn't - it would still be necessarily subjective, by virtue of its predication on the mind of Yahweh. What's more, you couldn't even utilize the same arguments secular subjectivists use in defense of their moral philosophy, so your position wouldn't merely be identical, but much worse off.
Take the plank from out thine own eye.
Sorry but that doesn't wash because morality doesn't just spring forth from the mind of God, but he is morality itself. There is no bases to call it subjective when he is morality itself. The bible doesn't just say that our God is a loving God but that he is love itself. He is the essence of love itself and the essence of morality itself and by that definition it can only be objective .
Your assertions don't change this fact .
In an atheist worldview rape can be ok or not depending on the persons opinion , nothing more. Fortunately most people on this planet intuition sense that rape is always evil, but in atheism you cant really tell us that rape is always evil.
God's law is essentially his opinion too, and he has justified genocides with it. If that's objective morality, you can keep it.
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