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Oh that's just lovely. Aborting a life for a mistake that you and another had made.
Religious people use the secular definition of harmHmm. Religions have no concept of harm?
I don't see how harm is only a secular concept.
No Im saying in order to maintain a consistent definition of what constitutes harm, the secular interpretation is used by secularists and the religious alike.Are you saying only secular institutions are concerned with people's welfare and religious institutions aren't? Are you saying secular law is the only way to address harm?
If they consent, why does it matter?
Religious people use the secular definition of harm
No Im saying in order to maintain a consistent definition of what constitutes harm, the secular interpretation is used by secularists and the religious alike.
harm - definition of harm by The Free DictionarySubstantiate that, please.
The secular definition is the same across all nations and times? It has never been disputed or changed? Again, you'll need to substantiate that.
Click on the link and you will see this is the same definition of harm theists use.
And? Your link says nothing of the source of that definition. For it to be a "secular" source, it would need to be of Greek origin - something like that. How do you know this didn't come from a Christian concept?
thanks for your perspective. I've got a feeling the person I was responding to would not share it though.No, it all boils down to the state marriage licnece in order to expose men to family law courts. That is it, that is all. Feminists use religion as a form of potential exploitation because they know churches will endorse marriage licences filed with the state so it puts tons of social pressure on a man who is with a woman.
It takes a VERY strong woman to not join in and pressure her man into such a contract. A smart man will allow the relationship to disolve under such conditions.
The idea of causing pain, destruction, AKA harm; these ideas have been around long before Christianity. But even if I am wrong; I will continue to assume sin to be a religious term, and harm to be a secular term until proven otherwise
Don't you need to back it up? That was your demand of me.
How do you define a marriage covenant? Is it when your idea of God says you are married? When the state says you are married? When a person claims his non-existence God says they are married? when 2 people agree to an exclusive relationship? or is it something else?
A state marriage license is not required for Scriptural marriage.That is part of it. A covenant is a spoken, solemn, lifelong commitment of exclusivity made before witnesses. As we are told in scripture to obey the laws of the land insofar as they do not require violation of scriptural command, that usually involves some kind of legal proceeding as well; such as signing a wedding licence which is then registered with the civil authorities.
Even when the law of the land is crooked? My slave ancestors were not allowed to get married because the law of the land forbid it. According to the bible, were they wrong for having a family?That is part of it. A covenant is a spoken, solemn, lifelong commitment of exclusivity made before witnesses. As we are told in scripture to obey the laws of the land insofar as they do not require violation of scriptural command, that usually involves some kind of legal proceeding as well; such as signing a wedding licence which is then registered with the civil authorities.
A state marriage license is not required for Scriptural marriage.
Even when the law of the land is crooked? My slave ancestors were not allowed to get married because the law of the land forbid it. According to the bible, were they wrong for having a family?
To be fruitful and multiply is a commandment? Are you saying it is a sin if you choose to remain childless?Of course not. The law of the land cannot force us to violate scripture. The command to be fruitful and multiply stands. So does the prohibition on extramarital sex. So if the law of the land says one cannot marry or reproduce then it is forcing someone to violate scripture and MUST be ignored.
Nothing matters to you it seems.
Consenting to pain for the purpose of sexual arousal, however, is considered a disorder.
Sexual masochism disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I wouldn't be comfortable inflicting extreme pain on someone.
But it doesn't matter to you if someone else does it as long as they consent.
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