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We get it. You don't think it's important. No amount of explaining is going to change your mind. You're an atheist - why do you care? This whole thread is pointless.
It just is. That's what Jews historically have believed about the passover meal - that by eating the passover the meal one is participating in the original passover.Pardon my flippancy, but how is eating a cracker and drinking grape by-product participating even if you believe in the presense. You wanna participate, go get crucified. Eating the wafer even believing Christ is present is in no way participating.
You can call it participating if you want, but then it's a different sort of participating. Language is ambigious - I would rather call one participation and the other something else than make every sentence long winded by needing to distinguish in some other way.And, tell an Aggie that standing in the stands is not participating in a football game. Look into Texas A&M and the Twelfth Man tradition. In that culture, standing in the stands is participating.
YeahIt's called Exploring Christianity. I'm exploring. I'm curious. I'm not asking you to convince me it is important. I'm trying to understand why others think the distinction is important.
If you don't want to participate, then don't.
It just is.
Not quite. I would say I was particpating in the action itself, he is particpating in reflection on the action. You can play with the words forever, but those are not quite the same sort of things.OK. So, it boils down to a matter of faith. It just is.
A Baptist, by matter of faith, might assert that he is participating. You would assert that he isn't really. And y'all, if you're polite about it, would agree to disagree. He would say he is participiating because he is obedient. You would say you are participating because of the presense (or belief therein, thru faith).
So the short answer to why it is important is: Because for those who believe in it, the belief in it is essential to the understanding of participation.
You would. And it would be an interesting question. I know a lot less about modern Jewish understanding than 2nd Temple understanding.I like the analogy to the passover and the jewish sense of participation. I rather doubt though that Jews of any stripe (orthodox, conservative, reformed, etc.) would assert that the lamb they eat becomes the lamb their ancestors ate.
I guess I would have to ask a Jew that question.
It's important becauseI grew up with the understanding that the elements of communion are symbolic (obviously, protestant). Why is it important that one believe that the elements, once blessed, are the actual body and blood of Christ?
Thanks.
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