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That's kinda silly to say. The churchmen of the 4th century didn't write the Bible; and everyone knows that most of the books were in existence even before the Incarnation.
All of that kind of talk is beside the point. The Christian churches recognized which writings were inspired. They didn't write them personally! So that's the point...having decided which books are the word of God (and almost every church in the world accepts the same 66) WHY NOT TREAT THEM AS OUR GUIDE AND THE DETERMINER OF DOCTRINE?Not the N.T. books. The Old Testament Canon is not given in Scripture. It was given by the oral Tradition of the Jews.
All of that kind of talk is beside the point. The Christian churches recognized which writings were inspired. They didn't write them personally! So that's the point...having decided which books are the word of God (and almost every church in the world accepts the same 66) WHY NOT TREAT THEM AS OUR GUIDE AND THE DETERMINER OF DOCTRINE?
No, that isn't the main issue. That's the dodge. The main issue is this: Now that the whole church has decided which writings are indeed the word of God, WHY 'DISS' THEM AND FOLLOW SOMETHING ELSE?The main issue here is that the oral Tradition--not the Bible--gives the O.T. and N.T. Canons.
No, that isn't the main issue. That's the dodge.
Doesn't say what?well, the Bible doesn't say that
I'd say so, but maybe it's better described as an attempt to change subject?? Either way, it's an evasion of the issue.is it a dodge...
Doesn't say what?
I'd say so, but maybe it's better described as an attempt to change subject?? Either way, it's an evasion of the issue.
where does the Bible say that?
I think that the Bible makes a strong case for the reliability and completeness of Scripture. It does this in many places. By comparison, it doesn't even make a single reference to your "Holy Tradition" or "Sacred Tradition" anywhere.also, why do you think the Bible never teaches Sola Scriptura or gives the N.T. Canon?
Say what?
I think that the Bible makes a strong case for the reliability and completeness of Scripture. It does this in many places. .
I earlier listed 19 (I believe it was) verses that teach that the Scriptures are God-given, reliable, and of the highest worth. Why that wouldn't recommend them, I don't know. Why don't you tell us what the reason is for choosing something that comes to us from mere humans instead and is not recommended anywhere in Scripture?Where, exactly, does the Bible teach that the Scriptures alone are the Word of God?
I earlier listed 19 (I believe it was) verses that teach that the Scriptures are God-given, reliable, and of the highest worth. Why that wouldn't recommend them, I don't know. Why don't you tell us what the reason is for choosing something that comes to us from mere humans instead and is not recommended anywhere in Scripture?
As for your question, I don't believing in choosing something that comes to us from mere humans.
Do you agree that if it's deemed to have been inspired by God (although there's nothing in it that says so), you are 'good to go,' then? Is that all it takes to turn a manmade idea into "divine revelation?"
We don't make doctrine out of our traditions. The Catholic churches make theirs a substitute for Scripture. That's the difference, regardless of what you personally decide to accept.no. that's why I don't accept some of the Protestant oral traditions.
I don't know where you'd get that idea.Apparently, we have established, however, that the Bible doesn't teach that it alone is the Word of God.
We don't make doctrine out of our traditions. The Catholic churches make theirs a substitute for Scripture. That's the difference, regardless of what you personally decide to accept.
I don't know where you'd get that idea.
From the fact that when I asked you to, you didn't provide even one Scripture which says that the Bible alone is the Word of God.
So, not replying is, in your mind, the equivalent to agreeing to a proposition I've already rejected in very explicit terms?
No. I know you don't agree. But it's been established because nobody has ever quoted a Scripture which says that the Bible Alone is the Word of God.
That doesn't establish anything except that we haven't established anything.
It also never says that the bishop of Rome is a Pope. You do nevertheless believe him to be so, don't you? And it never says that any Apostle or bishop is to have universal jurisdiction over Christ's Church. You do nevertheless believe that to be Christ's intent, do you not? The Bible never mentions Purgatory or Indulgences or the Assumption of Mary.Do you agree that the Bible never says that the Bible Alone is the Word of God?
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