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I don't know that you can win in this argument. If God knows what I am going to chose to do-who is making the choice to do what I do? Knowing what I am going to do is not the same as making me do what I do.Abongil said:If he knows what we will choose then there is no choice, we have to make that choice. This is another thing about Christians that offends me, as soon as you know you cannot win, you leave.
Abongil said:If he knows what we will choose then there is no choice, we have to make that choice. This is another thing about Christians that offends me, as soon as you know you cannot win, you leave.
If I am watching The Wizard of Oz for the umpteenth time, I know that Dorothy slaps the Cowardly Lion on the nose, but I didn't make her do it.Lilly of the Valley said:No, I know I can't make you see what I do. Is it prudent to continue something that you know someone won't believe no matter what you say? No...I find it foolish.
That is incorrect.Soul_Searcher said:Hi Mortensen,
"Why is God letting there be evil in the world?"
Because that is what we choose for the world. When we stop choosing it, it will go away.
Mortensen said:Why is God letting there be evil in the world?
Evil does not exist, it is just the lack of good
You mean that yours is based on your faith that your are correct in your observation and your faith in your reasoning.Soul_Searcher said:Hi Somaoe,
"That is incorrect. According to Isaiah 45:7, God creates evil: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.""
No, it's not. My conclusion is based on observation; yours is only based on faith, not fact. Sorry.
That is a mistranslation. Check it out. God did not create evil and does not. He created us and we do the creating of evil. That verse is talking about the effects of bad weather-natural disasters, not one person being unloving to another.somaoe said:That is incorrect.
According to Isaiah 45:7, God creates evil:
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
(KJV)
Mortensen said:So if I go to my neighbour and kill him, why is this a lack of good? Why isn't "good" a lack of evil?
somaoe said:That is incorrect.
According to Isaiah 45:7, God creates evil:
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
(KJV)
somaoe said:If I am watching The Wizard of Oz for the umpteenth time, I know that Dorothy slaps the Cowardly Lion on the nose, but I didn't make her do it.
If I wrote the screenplay, I made her do it.
Either way, I know she chooses to slap the Lion.
It may say the same thing in another version, but the KJV is to me, not athoritive. For if it were, we all should be gay. Since gay is never used (I have never at least seen it used) to mean happy anymore, it is left to mean homosexual.
It seems to me from Jesus' teachings, evil is being unloving.spdnet75 said:It seems to me that, from a Biblical stand point, anything that goes against the scripture, could be considered wrong or evil.
From a more Scientific view, it's simply a matter of having an observer in any given situation. It would be pointless to mention that it is light outside, if there weren't some other state to be observed.
What if he sees many outcomes. Because of our free will we roam about doing what we please. But that doesn't change the big picture. Or pictures. What if the Universe is multi layered and when a fork in the road comes God sees all the out comes that could be. Not just a single linear time line. Prophecy being only where these parallel universes connect in points or are similar at the same time in separate universes. Or what if 97% of the parallel universes ultimately follow the same path and all prophecy is based on percentages in the course of multiple out comes from multiple time lines. Not predestined. Sorry I little off topic. But because of the freewill we have evil. It's not a force. Man is easily tempted to do evil because of the excitment of it all. My opinion anyways.Mortensen said:Im going to post this in a new thread later on, but Ill take it here to. If God is allmighty, he knows everything that have happenes in the past and everything that will happen in the future. He knows our choices (if he didn't, he wouldnt be all mighty) and there for our choices is pre-dessided. Either God is not allmigthy or humans do not have free will.
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