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The fact is that if God is as compassionate and loving as you say he is, then why does God need a hell? Who exactly goes to hell? Why wouldn't such a compassionate God realize that mortals can make mistakes?
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Satan and about one third of the angel started a war in
heaven, for control of heaven. Satan was created in
heaven by God and was to have been made better
than most of the angels. His downfall was pride in
that he himself better than God. In this war St. Micheal
cast satan into hell which God made along with the
rest of the rebellious angels.
God rules Heaven and satanel rules Hell. God is just
giving a choice where we can stay for eternity.
Ron
heaven, for control of heaven. Satan was created in
heaven by God and was to have been made better
than most of the angels. His downfall was pride in
that he himself better than God. In this war St. Micheal
cast satan into hell which God made along with the
rest of the rebellious angels.
God rules Heaven and satanel rules Hell. God is just
giving a choice where we can stay for eternity.
Ron
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So wait a second, evil things do happen in heaven?
So wait a second, God didn't see this coming? I thought God was omniscient.
But why didn't he just not create Lucifer, or create him with a more humble nature? Then there would be no need for a Hell.
Hmm... but why even have humans go to Hell? Why not just fix Lucifer and leave it at that?
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Awesome user name, Phoenix Wright fan? 
The best way I have ever heard of hell is that it is, in fact, a product of God's compassion. Sin cannot exist where there is god, it's like mixing fire and gasoline. When one dies in sin his soul is tainted, and in Heaven it would be harmful to be near God in all His glory. So hell is a place cut off from God, but there is such despair over losing Paradise, that you suffer the torment commonly associated with Hell.
Either way, we can't say if you are going to Hell, or if I am going to Heaven, that is up to God to decide, but it is up for us to choose where we want to go.
The best way I have ever heard of hell is that it is, in fact, a product of God's compassion. Sin cannot exist where there is god, it's like mixing fire and gasoline. When one dies in sin his soul is tainted, and in Heaven it would be harmful to be near God in all His glory. So hell is a place cut off from God, but there is such despair over losing Paradise, that you suffer the torment commonly associated with Hell.
Either way, we can't say if you are going to Hell, or if I am going to Heaven, that is up to God to decide, but it is up for us to choose where we want to go.
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Awesome user name, Phoenix Wright fan?
The best way I have ever heard of hell is that it is, in fact, a product of God's compassion. Sin cannot exist where there is god, it's like mixing fire and gasoline. When one dies in sin his soul is tainted, and in Heaven it would be harmful to be near God in all His glory. So hell is a place cut off from God, but there is such despair over losing Paradise, that you suffer the torment commonly associated with Hell.
Either way, we can't say if you are going to Hell, or if I am going to Heaven, that is up to God to decide, but it is up for us to choose where we want to go.
If god is all loving why does he not just let the unsaved die a universal death? No pain or heaven.
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People go to hell because they sin. Where else will they go, not heaven, you have to be perfect to go there. Christians can go to heaven cos they are forgiven.(Thats the nice simple verson).
God is just.
God is just.
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Actually, there is a passage in Revelations that hell will be thrown into a fire, or something like that. Some choose to believe that this will mean the destruction of the souls... I don't believe it personally, I can't imagine that nonexistance is better.
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Hell is the absence of God. It is of our choosing, not his. God would have it that all would be with him for all eternity, yet so many of us refuse and reject him.
With God there is grace, love etc. Without him ... it is pure torment.
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Awesome user name, Phoenix Wright fan?
Yep. Just finished the second game a couple days ago, but anyway, onto the topic.
Number 81 said:
Then why doesn't God eradicate the person's sins, and then let him into Heaven? It seems like God has some sort of fetish for torment and pain.
Number 81 said:
Hmm... so wait a second; God is too petty to allow some of his creations to enjoy Paradise?
Number 81 said:
Hmm... this relates to another point; why are there so many different perceptions of Hell? Some believe in fire and brimstone, other believe in something similar to what us Skeptics believe (with the Soul Obliteration), and this theory is another addition. Why couldn't the Bible be clear on such an important point?
Number 81 said:
The "Free Will" defense actual slips into my argument quite well. You see, if you use the whole "Free Will" defense, then that leads to another question. We mortals are imperfect, but God is. Why doesn't he understand that we make mistakes, forgive us of our sins, and admit us into heaven anyway?
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So Christians are "perfect"? Wow, really? I know some Christians, and I don't see anything different about them. In fact, they seem just like me. They are just as short-tempered and mean as Non-Christians. You could of course argue that that wasn't part of your statement, so I'll explain my argument in a more logical format.
1. You have to be perfect to go to Heaven according to you.
2. Christians get to go to Heaven.
3. Therefore, Christians are perfect.
God is just.
A just God allows mortals to suffer for eternity for a mistake that they made?
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God only returns what you have Given him.
If you have Accepted God, and gave him your Love, then God accepts you and basks you in his Love.
If you have Rejected God and refuse him. Then God only returns your rejection and refuses you.
But, the Hell is fate of Loosing Heaven and having God reject you.
I hope I have explained this.
God Bless
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Hell must exist, as well as heaven, because God is not only a perfect Being, but an infinitely perfect Being. At first this will seem a contradiction as we associate perfection with something desirable which hell is not, but supposing that God is a just God, (and He is,) then His justice must be a perfect justice so as to not impugn that perfect character. Since we are no where close to perfection, we cannot appreciate this necessity. "Why not give those deserving of hell a way out of it?" He does, but millions of Bibles collect dust on shelves rather than to be read, believed and obeyed.
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Justice is a scary word, but put yourself in another seat. Have you had things stolen from you.... had friends who were raped... been lied to about something you were going to invest time and effort into... lost a court case when you were innocent....
Justice is valuable to us.
Justice is valuable to us.
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The place of everlasting torment is the eternal lake of fire. All unbelievers will go there as a result of the Great White Throne Judgement.
Part of the problem, and confusion, has to do with the varied definitions or understandings of hell and/or hades.
Those places are where dead unbelievers are today, and where they will go when they die in the future. This is not the hell that many people imagine it to be. Their eternal residence will be the eternal lake of burning sulphur.
There is a portion of scripture that speaks of death and hell being cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Hell, today, is kind of like a county jail where bad guys are held until their trial and judgement. After the judgement they are sent to the
Penitentiary for punishment. They are two different places.
Why does God have an eternal place of punishment? Because He is just in His decisions. He gave Adam and Eve a one question test. Namely, they could take from any tree, plant, in the Garden, EXCEPT, the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He told them if they did, they would die. They did, and He instituted His punishment.
Now, having said that, God knew they would fail the test, so He provided a way to reconcile mankind back to Him. He made that provision before He created the universe and everything in it.
That "solution" to the problem of sin was Jesus Christ, who paid the price for all our sins. God established one more "test". In order to gain that eternal salvation, we have to acknowledge the FREE GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE WITH GOD. That means we have to acknowledge Christ's sacrifice on our behalf.
Why didn't God simply make us all robots? Because He wants us to love him, as much as He loves us (if that is possible). Robots do not, and cannot, love. Love is a matter of choice. We can love God, or not. If we love Him, He is righteous and just and provided the way to reconcile us back to Him.
He gave us FREE WILL. He doesn't want, or need, slaves. He wants us to be His children. When we accept Christ we are adopted into God's eternal family as CHILDREN OF GOD, with all the rights and privileges that go along with that.
BTW: The lake of fire was originally created for the evil angels that revolted against God and His laws for them.
Scripture says so.
Fred
Part of the problem, and confusion, has to do with the varied definitions or understandings of hell and/or hades.
Those places are where dead unbelievers are today, and where they will go when they die in the future. This is not the hell that many people imagine it to be. Their eternal residence will be the eternal lake of burning sulphur.
There is a portion of scripture that speaks of death and hell being cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Hell, today, is kind of like a county jail where bad guys are held until their trial and judgement. After the judgement they are sent to the
Penitentiary for punishment. They are two different places.
Why does God have an eternal place of punishment? Because He is just in His decisions. He gave Adam and Eve a one question test. Namely, they could take from any tree, plant, in the Garden, EXCEPT, the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He told them if they did, they would die. They did, and He instituted His punishment.
Now, having said that, God knew they would fail the test, so He provided a way to reconcile mankind back to Him. He made that provision before He created the universe and everything in it.
That "solution" to the problem of sin was Jesus Christ, who paid the price for all our sins. God established one more "test". In order to gain that eternal salvation, we have to acknowledge the FREE GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE WITH GOD. That means we have to acknowledge Christ's sacrifice on our behalf.
Why didn't God simply make us all robots? Because He wants us to love him, as much as He loves us (if that is possible). Robots do not, and cannot, love. Love is a matter of choice. We can love God, or not. If we love Him, He is righteous and just and provided the way to reconcile us back to Him.
He gave us FREE WILL. He doesn't want, or need, slaves. He wants us to be His children. When we accept Christ we are adopted into God's eternal family as CHILDREN OF GOD, with all the rights and privileges that go along with that.
BTW: The lake of fire was originally created for the evil angels that revolted against God and His laws for them.
Scripture says so.
Fred
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...and then, mentioning the second death ... some believe that the first death is the body, and the second death is the soul. That means the fire is not eternal, but it is consuming, ending the life and spirit for all time.
Those who don't believe in eternal life didn't plan to live on anyway, right? Unless they were counting on reincarnating.
Those who don't believe in eternal life didn't plan to live on anyway, right? Unless they were counting on reincarnating.
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there are many good scriptures shared here about hell. often there is misunderstanding about this subject, unfortunately even from church leaders. Jesus says in the new testament to watch out for church leaders, so we should do that, remember His church leaders took Him to be crucified. just want to share the warning.
here is a bible study about hell that goes supports what many others are saying here too, and that explains more eloquently than I can about hell http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/storacle_lessons.asp Click Watch on "Cities of Ash." God is loving, also just.
here is a bible study about hell that goes supports what many others are saying here too, and that explains more eloquently than I can about hell http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/storacle_lessons.asp Click Watch on "Cities of Ash." God is loving, also just.
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