Why is "MAGA" offensive?

Radagast · Jan 29, 2019

USincognito said:
The unique macro-economic conditions that allowed (some) in the U.S. to be hyper-prosperous should never be replicated ever again.

Those circumstances, as I understand them, were that the US ramped up its productivity for wartime reasons in the 1940s, and saw a peacetime dividend from that in the 1950s.

One could presumably get another productivity increase without a war (although that would, it seems to me, require radical improvements in US education).

Radagast · Jan 29, 2019

jason_delisle said:
However, as a result of the prejudice and bigotry made against conservatives by the left, I will vote for Trump rather than giving liberals the privilege of removing him from office.

I'm seeing a lot of Democrat rhetoric that translates roughly as "vote for us and we promise to make your life hell."

As a campaign slogan, that leaves much to be desired.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jan 29, 2019

jason_delisle said:
I will end with a question for you. What do you call it when people show intolerance of conservatives merely because they hold a different opinion? What do yo call it when liberals generate preconceived opinions about conservatives that is not based on reason or actual experience?

@USincognito I just wanted to follow up to see if you had an answer to these questions.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jan 29, 2019

Radagast said:
I'm seeing a lot of Democrat rhetoric that translates roughly as "vote for us and we promise to make your life hell."

As a campaign slogan, that leaves much to be desired.

Agreed, I am personally afraid that if we allow another democrat in the white house it will be 8 more years of "shut up and get in the back of the bus where you belong". For the record, I am not saying that anyone here on this forum is saying that. I am not trying to make accusations or flame/goad. I am merely stating how I felt during the 8 year of the Obama administration.

Radagast · Jan 29, 2019

jason_delisle said:
Agreed, I am personally afraid that if we allow another democrat in the white house it will be 8 more years of "shut up and get in the back of the bus where you belong".

It's getting more specific than that, with suggestions that Christians not be allowed to run private schools on a religious basis.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jan 29, 2019

Radagast said:
It's getting more specific than that, with suggestions that Christians not be allowed to run private schools on a religious basis.

What really bothers me is that there are Christians who are suggesting that. Once again I must clarify that I am in no way directing this statement toward any specific posts or posters in this thread or any other thread on this forum. Just a general observation.

Radagast · Jan 29, 2019

jason_delisle said:
What really bothers me is that there are Christians who are suggesting that.

Not sure what you mean, exactly, but the people who attack Christianity are, by definition, not Christians (Matthew 12:30).

USincognito · Jan 29, 2019

jason_delisle said:
So as long as you consider conservatives telling you what conservatives believe and think "self-congratulatory propaganda"

No, I consider self-congratulatory propaganda from Dennis Praeger's folks to be self-congratulatory propaganda because it's self-congratulatory propaganda.

jason_delisle said:
...ou will never understand the conservative point of view

Oh please, there's nothing esoteric about Conservatism that requires a lecture to "understand". I've been watching Fox news, reading Conservative commentary and listening to talk radio decades. I also majored in Political Science. At this point, I've got a pretty good handle on it.

jason_delisle said:
..and you can expect another 4 years of Trump.

This is exactly what I'm talking about with the self-congratulatory propaganda. Trump lost the popular vote. His election was not some rousing endorsement for Conservatism when the guy himself is hardly a paragon of it. His election, due to about 100,000 votes in three states, was more of a repudiation of Sec. Clinton than it was a national stamp of approval for him in particular or Conservatism in general.

jason_delisle said:
I will tell you that I personally am not a fan of trump. However, as a result of the prejudice and bigotry made against conservatives by the left, I will vote for Trump rather than giving liberals the privilege of removing him from office. Nothing that has been stated from liberals thus far has brought me any closer to changing my mind.

That is some awesome nose/face spite going on there. 'I don't like the guy, but since liberals are saying the same things about him as Conservatives said about Broke Obummer for eight years and say about liberals. I'm going to whole-heartedly support him just to make liberal heads explode'.

USincognito · Jan 29, 2019

jason_delisle said:
Do you think it was wrong for the United States to have been involved in WWII? The men and women during the WWII era are regarded as "the Greatest Generation". Why do you think they received this title and why do you disagree with it?

What planet are you living on where that was what you got from my comment?

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jan 29, 2019

Radagast said:
Not sure what you mean, exactly, but the people who attack Christianity are, by definition, not Christians (Matthew 12:30).

There are things I would like to say that I cannot say and should not say on this tread.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jan 29, 2019

USincognito said:
His election was not some rousing endorsement for Conservatism when the guy himself is hardly a paragon of it. His election, due to about 100,000 votes in three states, was more of a repudiation of Sec. Clinton than it was a national stamp of approval for him in particular or Conservatism in general.

This is the most correct thing you have said all day. In the end, Hillary would have been worse than Trump, conservatively speaking of course.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jan 29, 2019

USincognito said:
What planet are you living on where that was what you got from my comment?

Well, that didn't seem like a nice thing to say. Remember, we are friends having a discussion over a case of beer. Did you not say earlier that America was never great? So what was so "great" about the "greatest generation"?

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jan 29, 2019

USincognito said:
That is some awesome nose/face spite going on there. 'I don't like the guy, but since liberals are saying the same things about him as Conservatives said about Broke Obummer for eight years and say about liberals. I'm going to whole-heartedly support him just to make liberal heads explode'.

I am not sure who "Broke Obummer" is. Did you mean to say Barak Obama? Also, a more accurate statement would be "I don't like the guy, but because I was called a racist bigot for 8 years for criticizing Obama's policies, his direction for the country, and the multiple scandals surrounding his administration (Hillary being one of them), I whole-heartedly supported him.

TLK Valentine · Jan 29, 2019

jason_delisle said:
Well, that didn't seem like a nice thing to say. Remember, we are friends having a discussion over a case of beer.

Where's the beer?

Did you not say earlier that America was never great? So what was so "great" about the "greatest generation"?

It's a slogan, nothing more, like #MAGA itself. It has no more or less meaning than what you assign to it.

USincognito · Jan 29, 2019

jason_delisle said:
Listen, conservatives are not having secret meetings to discussion future world domination and I know of no such conservative committee which set "MAGA" as a secret code for, 'white power' (I am not white BTW).

Not sure why this is directed at me. Did you mean to post this in response to someone else?

jason_delisle said:
If you don't want to listen to a conservative is actually saying and still want to listen to the left tell you conservatives are saying, that is fine. Just stand by for another 4 years of trump. I will end with a question for you. What do you call it when people show intolerance of conservatives merely because they hold a different opinion? What do yo call it when liberals generate preconceived opinions about conservatives that is not based on reason or actual experience?

You don't know diddly squat about me JD. Don't start letting your fantasies and straw men replace reality. I have been listening for conservatives for 35 years. I was a huge fan of Robert Dornan back in the day. As I mentioned in another post, I've been listening to Conservative talk radio for nearly 25+ years, I've been reading Conservative content, I've been reading comments by conservatives here, on Facebook, on talk radio, on C-SPAN's Washington Journal, etc. I don't know where you get this fantasy that people (and me in particular) aren't familiar with conservatism.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jan 29, 2019

USincognito said:
Not sure why this is directed at me. Did you mean to post this in response to someone else?

You don't know diddly squat about me JD. Don't start letting your fantasies and straw men replace reality. I have been listening for conservatives for 35 years. I was a huge fan of Robert Dornan back in the day. As I mentioned in another post, I've been listening to Conservative talk radio for nearly 25+ years, I've been reading Conservative content, I've been reading comments by conservatives here, on Facebook, on talk radio, on C-SPAN's Washington Journal, etc. I don't know where you get this fantasy that people (and me in particular) aren't familiar with conservatism.

In all those year of listening, did you try to understand what you were listening to? Or am I the only conservative who had absolutely no idea that MAGA was referencing Jim Crow?

USincognito · Jan 29, 2019

jason_delisle said:
@USincognito I just wanted to follow up to see if you had an answer to these questions.

The thing I'm going to call here is question and I'm going to call it naive. The reason I do so is because you seem to live in an echo chamber of a bubble were you don't think that conservatives rant and rage about liberals (and moderates like me because some conservatives seem to think that anyone who doesn't hold the same positions as they do are "leftists") just as much and even worse in many instances that liberals do about conservatives.

According to Conservative talk radio, Fox News opinion shows and comments I read on Facebook, liberals are communist, freeloading snowflakes who have never worked a day in their lives, hate America, want to outlaw guns and Christianity and to enforce Shiria, gay marriage on everyone while forcing everyone to smoke pot, etc. etc. Here's the thing, none of my liberal friends are any of those things nor do they want any of those things and that applies to most liberals.

USincognito · Jan 29, 2019

jason_delisle said:
In all those year of listening, did you try to understand what you were listening to?

Why as you asking such inane questions? Do you think I'm normally in the habit of reading/watching/listening to things so that I don't understand them?

jason_delisle said:
Or am I the only conservative who had absolutely no idea that MAGA was referencing Jim Crow?

Quite possibly, but the issue here seems to be you don't know what a dog whistle is. Myself, personally, think it's a mostly vacuous slogan (for instance I think America doesn't need to be made great again), but it clearly is a dog whistle for a certain segment of the population.

And this isn't just musings or tossing out ideas. There have been actual studies.
Trump voters were motivated by fear of losing their status

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jan 29, 2019

USincognito said:
The thing I'm going to call here is question and I'm going to call it naive. The reason I do so is because you seem to live in an echo chamber of a bubble were you don't think that conservatives rant and rage about liberals (and moderates like me because conservatives seem to think that anyone who doesn't hold the same positions as they do are "leftists") just as much and even worse in many instances that liberals do about conservatives.

When did I call you a liberal? You haven't called me a racist bigot so why would you think I was talking specifically about you?

USincognito · Jan 29, 2019

jason_delisle said:
Well, that didn't seem like a nice thing to say. Remember, we are friends having a discussion over a case of beer. Did you not say earlier that America was never great? So what was so "great" about the "greatest generation"?

No, I never said America was never great. Where did you get the cockamamie idea that I ever said any such thing, especially since my comment was more about the aftermath of WWII ant their economic implications than the war itself.

>> Yeah, there was this little thing that happened prior to the 1950s called World War II where around 100,000,000 died and entire industrialized nations were reduced to rubble. On the other hand the U.S. only lost 400,000 and our mainland was touched only be a single balloon bomb and U-boat shelling on the coasts. The unique macro-economic conditions that allowed (some) in the U.S. to be hyper-prosperous should never be replicated ever again.

Just for some perspective, wartime rationing in the UK didn't end until 1954. In contrast most of the rationing in the U.S. ended in August 1945 immediately after the war. <<

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