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I know. It was not a big thing on my part.I didn't say it negates your point.
I'm glad you reasserted your view.On the contrary I think what I say expounds on your point and provides a "why" to it . I conjecture that liberal orthodoxy is inherently unstsinable because of your point. You are correct that the Tatics of the militant gays, militant Muslims , etc are very very similar yet their end objectives are very different. As such once there is no longer a common foe, the liberal coalition will invariably tear itself apart.
Actually you need to learn your political history. The Republicans had been the liberal party until the early years following the Civil War. The conservative gradually gained strength. TR was the last major progressive candidate fielded by the Republicans. The Democrats, on the other hand were the Conservative party. Beginning in the late 1800s that changed. The Populist movement lead to the rise of William Jennings Bryan and liberal control of the party. "You shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns. You shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold." That's from memory btw so please I might be off by a word or two.Democrats are still very conservative, they just hold different things close to the chest. That is why we are having the problems we are having now regarding the people who are abusive and rioting, etc., just because they lost. True liberals, like Kennedy, are almost nowhere to be found in the Democratic party these days.
I'm not saying that the republicans never held liberal beliefs, I'm suggesting that the Democrats of today are not the liberals that they claim to be.Actually you need to learn your political history. The Republicans had been the liberal party until the early years following the Civil War. The conservative gradually gained strength. TR was the last major progressive candidate fielded by the Republicans. The Democrats, on the other hand were the Conservative party. Beginning in the late 1800s that changed. The Populist movement lead to the rise of William Jennings Bryan and liberal control of the party. "You shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns. You shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold." That's from memory btw so please I might be off by a word or two.
Like when they were so consistently fighting to preserve slavery?
But there was a party flip, which you said didn't happen.I'm not saying that the republicans never held liberal beliefs, I'm suggesting that the Democrats of today are not the liberals that they claim to be.
I did mention LBJ, who forced a party flip to make the Democrats appear to be more liberal, but really it was for the purpose of securing the votes. According to LBJ:But there was a party flip, which you said didn't happen.
LBJ was known to be racist and frequently made racist remarks. And remember, Democrats, at the time, were reluctant to step into the civil rights arena. All well-known facts.These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.
Only one party did the flipping. The Republicans of today still are against slavery, segregation and abortion. In fact, they are largely in the same place that they've always been. They were never in favor of homosexual "marriage," or other perversions. They have always been strongly nationalistic. Recent movement toward progressivism is still within the historical range. Democrats, however, have given up on fighting for slavery and segregation, and now fight for sodomy, abortion and atheistic principles. Republicans haven't changed much, but the Democrats have swung wildly.But there was a party flip, which you said didn't happen.
Only one party did the flipping. The Republicans of today still are against slavery, segregation and abortion.
. . . Democrats, however, have given up on fighting for slavery and segregation,
But couldn't it also be said that Far Left Democrats, seeking to increase voting by non-citizens, are supporting illegal entry of foreign workers whom they know will be employed off the books and paid wages below the legal minimum?Far right Republicans, seeking to increase deportation of illegal aliens, are actually supporting illegal exploitation of workers, who would not dare complain to authorities about substandard wages, substandard conditions because they might be turned over to be deported.
And prior to the Republicans obtaining the majority in Congress and most state legislatures, it was the Democrats who gerrymandered voting districts to their advantage. Now they are crying crocodile tears that they don't get to do it very much anymore.Republican gerrymandering of voting districts is one of the key parts of their strength, minimizing the impact of minority votes.
I'm thinking you are not remembering this correctly. It was the Democrats who fought to preserve slavery and started the KKK to scare the bejeesus out of everyone who voted Republican.
Why is that such a bad thing? I was a bit dumbfounded the first time I ever saw someone say on here "the problem with liberals is that they're always changing their views to fit new information" and I just "that's what you are supposed to do." Can someone explain this to me?
Only one party did the flipping. The Republicans of today still are against slavery, segregation and abortion. In fact, they are largely in the same place that they've always been. They were never in favor of homosexual "marriage," or other perversions. They have always been strongly nationalistic. Recent movement toward progressivism is still within the historical range. Democrats, however, have given up on fighting for slavery and segregation, and now fight for sodomy, abortion and atheistic principles. Republicans haven't changed much, but the Democrats have swung wildly.
All of which ignores the fact that there was a party flip.I did mention LBJ, who forced a party flip to make the Democrats appear to be more liberal, but really it was for the purpose of securing the votes. According to LBJ: LBJ was known to be racist and frequently made racist remarks. And remember, Democrats, at the time, were reluctant to step into the civil rights arena. All well-known facts.
Ok, I decided to make a thread about this because I've seen this multiple times on CF now where people are criticizing science, liberals, etc. because they change their views, beliefs, opinions, whatever you want to call when they are presented with new information. To me, I don't understand why that it is a criticism at all. I was raised my parents, teachers, pastors, and everyone to question things, and when you are presented with new information that conflicts with what you current know, study and figure out which is right, never automatically dismiss anything as being wrong. In other words, when presented with hard, proven evidence or a good enough argument, the appropriate response is to change your views. I have changed my views multiple times on many issues, and would change mine.
Why is that such a bad thing? I was a bit dumbfounded the first time I ever saw someone say on here "the problem with liberals is that they're always changing their views to fit new information" and I just "that's what you are supposed to do." Can someone explain this to me?
I'm thinking you are not remembering this correctly. It was the Democrats who fought to preserve slavery and started the KKK to scare the bejeesus out of everyone who voted Republican.
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