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I'm guessing that means I have to pervert the scriptures so I get your attention?
Oh please tell me how I'm perverting the scriptures...You're already doing a very good job of perverting the Scriptures at least as far as I can tell by your posts.
I should think that you (and several people here) would find WWMC to be a mission field ripe for the picking! Just like B®ent did.
18 When I say to a wicked man, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for [a] his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. 19 But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. Ezekiel 3:18-19
Why do so many people consider it an act of hate or discrimination for a Christian to point out the committing of homosexual acts as sinful?
Everyone has suppositions. It depends on the invidual on how wild they are.Well I am a Christian who does not see homosexual acts as being sinful (because I do not believe God thinks they are sinful), but aside from that I am fine with people thinking Im sinning and even telling me so but there are FAR better ways to go about it.
Top 5 Things Fundamentalists Do That I Find Hateful
1) Use complete lies such as "most gay people die at age 40" or whatever the exact quote used recently was to back up their beliefs.
2) Say that AIDS is a gay disease when plenty of hetrosexuals have the disease and lesbians are the least at risk group from it.
3) Use words like pervert, disgusting etc.. to attack gay people. Yes you may believe these words are used to describe gay people in the Bible, but if you care whatsoever about your fellow humans then there are more polite ways of showing your distaste.
4) Telling gay people they are "not in love" with their partner etc that their relationships are just about lust..
Im afraid you have NO clue what a gay persons relationship is based on unless you are those people, Im not going to tell you your relationship is empty, so you have no right to say the same to me and expect a posotive response.
5) Compare homosexuality to pedophilia/beastaility. As soon as you use this particular comparison you pretty much lose all credentials for being even vaugely good to talk too.
If people talk to me politely without wild suppositions and abuse then im Far, FAR likely to respond better.
Well I am a Christian who does not see homosexual acts as being sinful (because I do not believe God thinks they are sinful), but aside from that I am fine with people thinking Im sinning and even telling me so but there are FAR better ways to go about it.
Top 5 Things Fundamentalists Do That I Find Hateful
1) Use complete lies such as "most gay people die at age 40" or whatever the exact quote used recently was to back up their beliefs.
2) Say that AIDS is a gay disease when plenty of hetrosexuals have the disease and lesbians are the least at risk group from it.
3) Use words like pervert, disgusting etc.. to attack gay people. Yes you may believe these words are used to describe gay people in the Bible, but if you care whatsoever about your fellow humans then there are more polite ways of showing your distaste.
4) Telling gay people they are "not in love" with their partner etc that their relationships are just about lust..
Im afraid you have NO clue what a gay persons relationship is based on unless you are those people, Im not going to tell you your relationship is empty, so you have no right to say the same to me and expect a posotive response.
5) Compare homosexuality to pedophilia/beastaility. As soon as you use this particular comparison you pretty much lose all credentials for being even vaugely good to talk too.
If you disagree with homosexual behavior for any reason, then you are considered "homophobic" by the gay crowd. None of the reasons matter.
But if I tell you that God's Word says that the act is wrong, and then proceed to show you why also using God's Word, why all the cries of hate and discrimination?
If that is all that you do, and if you do it respectfully, then you are not being hateful, and I can respect you back.
If I'm repeating God's Word to you, does not the issue become yours if you reject that truth?
It's a manipulation tactic to get more support for the gay agenda. You'll notice that all "hate filled conservatives" say is just to repent and follow Christ.
Well, this is imho...But I think the outside world that is not Christian see those who point out to others a sin...as they do not see what they are doing is a sin in Gods eyes.
Therefore it sounds hateful to them...when "sin" is mentioned! Therefore "our new countries rules...that we cannot say anything hateful against anyone of any faith, belief, or any other system that doesn't conform with "our governments beliefs"...Which are not Christian!
That's irrelvant in this debate, you have any evidence to support "all of the gay men" this happens to?
Nah, I don't like arguing with so called Christians who cannot even justify their position.Seems to me that you and some of the conservatives would have a field day at WWMC.
It would be a fundamentalist's dream-come-true: a mission field, consisting of nothing but liberals and liberal Christians, just ripe for the picking!
Oh please tell me how I'm perverting the scriptures...
It's a manipulation tactic to get more support for the gay agenda. You'll notice that all "hate filled conservatives" say is just to repent and follow Christ.
Nah, I don't like arguing with so called Christians who cannot even justify their position.
It is not the simple disagreement that gets you branded, it is the systematic attempt to strip gays of human rights. It's the campaigns to pass laws that allow housing discrimination; that allow harrassment in the workplace; that allow a person to be fired for no other reason than that they are gay.
If you are up in their faces screaming (as many Christians are) then you are acting in a hateful manner. If you are prowling gay areas and physically attacking, and even killing people you suspect of being gay, you are hateful.
If you campaign for laws to strip gays of basic human rights, then you are guilty of discrimination.
If you let it go at that, then yes. But There are too many so-called Christians that do the hateful things I mentioned in the last paragraph.
And all of the gay men who turn up battered or dead just tripped and fell down the stairs?
No, what is hateful are the hateful actions. The gay bashings. The killings. The concerted campaign to marginalize a people and strip them of their rights.
Something else that I've never quite gotten. Why are Christians suddenly considered to be "scared of homosexuality" just because they speak against the committingof homosexual acts?
'cuz the devil hates him.Why is a pastor who preaches this labeled as a preacher of hate?
That's irrelvant in this debate, you have any evidence to support "all of the gay men" this happens to?
I haven't said anything about taking anybody's rights or discrimination against anyone because they are gay. This is akin to what I'm talking about though.
You've immediately taken the conversation to something that was not being discussed because those points are key in the agenda to make homosexuals look victimized.
While they are discriminated against, what does any of what you just mentioned have to do with being called hateful for saying that homosexual acts are wrong?
You're generalizing about Christians in the same way that people generalize that everyone gay has AIDS.
Again, nothing to do with why folks are called hateful for calling the committing of homosexual acts wrong.
As hateful as one may perceive those things to be, none of those things give credence to calling someone hateful because they tell you that homosexual acts are wrong.
yes indeed. You've mentioned some hateful acts. But Again, those acts have no bearingon why folks are called hateful or homophobic for calling the committing of homosexual acts wrong.
So are you taking hateful acts and ascribing that behavior to anyone who says that the committing of homosexual acts is wrong?
Let me ask you again. In a conversation where I asked one thing, why have you brought up all these issues that have nothing to do with the original question?
We all know what you said takes place. But what does that have to do with folks being called hateful or homophobic for saying that the committing of homosexual acts is wrong?
And almost the first thing I said is that the adjective "hateful" does not apply if you only, and respectfully, express your beliefs
Do you claim that these things don't happen? Or that no "respectable" Christians who would never do it themselves sit back and let it happen?
I'm just trying to answer the question "Why are we called "hateful"?
No. I specifically separated the people to whom I referred by their actions, and it was the actions of only some of the that I called hateful
Again, the hateful folk do more than just say that it is wrong
They have a great bearing if you, by you inaction encourage these hateful acts.
Read my post!!! I said no such thing. In fact I was careful to say just the opposite.
The original question was "Why?" I am telling you why. I am also saying that if you don't want to be smeared by a broad brush because of those who go too far, be clear that you agree that they go too far.
How many times do I have to repeat it? If that is all you do, and if you do it respectfully, then you are not hateful. If you dou hateful things or encourage others to do them, then you are hateful.
A preacher who preaches what? That gays don't deserve human rights? Or that, in his belief, homosexuality is wrong. The first is hateful. The second is not.
It is necessary to bring up those other, hateful things in order to answer your question "Why?"
No it's not. If I ask you why folks call Christians hateful for saying that the committing of homosexual acts is wrong, what relevance does all that other stuff play if they haven't done that?
OK let me begin again.
You asked "Why are we called hateful?"
I answered that there are hateful people who identify themselves with your cause. And that there are others in your cause who would not do those hateful things themselves, but who would encourage them.
Then this goes back to what I said about ascribing hate to folks who haven't done anything hateful.
If you do not do those things or encourage them, then you are not hateful. But some people who have been hurt by the hateful people can only see that they have identified themselves with your cause.
Again, right back to my point of ascribing hate even if the Christian hasn't done anything hateful
As on this board, if you speak against the committing of homosexual acts, you're called hateful.
Others, who are not as directly affected, and who therefore, should know better still generalize.
If you do not make any attempt to separate yourself and your cause from these hateful actions, then you make it harder for those on the other side who do make the distinction to know that you don't endorse the hateful actions.
That is why you are called hateful.
So its as was said. Folks are ascribing hate to every Christian who speaks against the committing of homosexual acts as wrong.
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