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Homosexuality and vegetarianism are both wrong because they are both counterproductive to evolution.
We require picture proof.carternordstrom said:I am attractive, in great shape,
carternordstrom said:Why on the other side of the planet? Well slight exaggeration there, just the thing is I'm a big part of our church and what my parents/family thinks of me is just so important. Also, I'm going into pediatric dentistry and a big part of why I'm doing that is b/c my genuine desire is to give the Lord my skill/education by donating my summers at orphanages to offer free dental aid to some of the thousands and thousands of children with such saddening circumstances. My church currently makes such 2wk long trips, but really the Lord's blessed me and I'm confident will continue to, so it's the least I can do. great experience!
So anyways I wouldn't be able to do all that if I was "out," and I really think that it'd mean much more to me to help with that in the summers (more fullfilling) than having a gay relationship that the very people I care about would despise/disapprove of.
Sure, if it's easy enough for your cousin to send me some verses that'd be nice! carternordstrom@yahoo.com
PS: Don't worry, I do realize that the meanest thing for me to do to someone is to sweep them up, marry them and fake a connected relationship only to have children and the american dream.
In fact, I'm wondering how much longer I've got before people start assuming I'm gay...that is, I am attractive, in great shape, and have a very promising career ahead. I've made plenty of friends with girls that I later realize only are so interested in me because they want to date/have a relationship. Don't worry though, I'm pretty decent at letting them know my intentions b/c the last thing I'd want to do is to keep them away from a true boyfriend when I had no interest regarding that.
My dad's successful, my family's very well-liked at church, so all that together makes it even less difficult for me to get an admirerer. (please, I'm not boasting or anything like that sorry) So once I finish school I'll have to adapt my response/excuse I guess. hmm
As for now, I'm very busy in college and tell people I'm not serious-enough of a person for anything more than great friends.
Cerberus~ said:Explain to me how homosexuality is anymore detremental to evolution than ppl who go though life without ever having children? Or the celebate priests?
Not to mention that homosexuality has been around for a long, long time, probably even before humans, and if it's a threat to evolution, it hasn't been too effective.
Homosexuality qua homosexuality doesn't promote anything. It's just the sexual and romantic attraction to the same sex.one love said:HOmosexuality promotes an agenda that teaches making lovely or soley loving one of the same sex.
I think it's pretty much impossible to find a homosexual that doesn't know that it takes a man + woman to make a baby.If straight men and women go through life without having children, it is not the same, they are promoting at least the basic concept of how life comes about.
"Often turn out?" Hardly.Priest are no worse than homosexuals in degrading mankind's evolution. They often turn out to be homosexuals who molest alter boy...bit of an exageration.
There are plenty of ways same-sex couples can raise children: sperm donation, surrogate mother, adoption, or just children from previous heterosexual relationships.one love said:HOmosexuality promotes an agenda that teaches making lovely or soley loving one of the same sex. If straight men and women go through life without having children, it is not the same, they are promoting at least the basic concept of how life comes about. Priest are no worse than homosexuals in degrading mankind's evolution.
one love said:HOmosexuality promotes an agenda that teaches making lovely or soley loving one of the same sex. If straight men and women go through life without having children, it is not the same, they are promoting at least the basic concept of how life comes about. Priest are no worse than homosexuals in degrading mankind's evolution. They often turn out to be homosexuals who molest alter boy...bit of an exageration.
Gay and bisexual people can be equally religious as any other straight person. Marriage has existed before christianty and not all religions follow the same dogma as christianty. And even now marriage is nothing more than a legal binding document. Hell I heard on the news today that two straight guys got married just for the tax breaks.appleofhiseye said:On the other hand I still haven't figured out why Homosexuals want "gay- marriage" legalized. It just seems silly to put yourselves under the constraints of marriage covenant as outlined in religious doctrine. I have nothing against civil unions, though.
Do you know why they don't kiss in front of thier parents? Because it's shameful!FSTDT said:I know, I know, yet another homosexuality thread. But, I wanted to start one of my own, because all the other ones I read became derailed withing the first 2 pages. Hopefully, this thread can stay on topic, and people derailing my thread will be politely asked to go start their own.
That being said:
I would like to know just on what basis homosexuality is considered immoral.
Before starting this discussion, there are a few knee-jerk responses that I see over and over again, and for the sake of moving discussion along I want to just get these out of the way as soon as possible:
* "Its a choice" - so what? Actions are wrong based on their consequences and how they affect people. It doesnt matter if homosexuality is a choice or not, all that matters is the basis for considering why its wrong.
* "God says its wrong [insert bible verses here]" - why does God think its wrong? (I would appreciate if we could keep the number of bible verses quoted in this thread to a minimum, because it doesnt further the discussion in any meaningful way. All it does it lead me to ask "why does God think its wrong" over and over again.)
* "Its a perversion / its sick" - on what basis?
* "Its unnatural" - so what?
* "Its no better than pedophilia" - the reasons why pedophilia is wrong is because children cannot consent to a sexual relationship with an adult, therefore all pedophilia relationships are de facto exploitation and abuse (if someone really wants to talk about pedophilia, they can start their own thread, but please dont derail mine). Now, what are the reasons why homosexuality between consenting adults so bad?
ohh just for the "Tax-Breaks"Toboe said:Gay and bisexual people can be equally religious as any other straight person. Marriage has existed before christianty and not all religions follow the same dogma as christianty. And even now marriage is nothing more than a legal binding document. Hell I heard on the news today that two straight guys got married just for the tax breaks.
Seriously I mean it would be awsome to marry yourbest friendappleofhiseye said:ohh just for the "Tax-Breaks"
well that's gonna screw up our society's basic building block, "nuclear family" having to recognize all those unions as legit. families, could get rather confusing to say the least. Then what happens to those two guys when they want to start a family with their GF's? They have to get a divorce? Divorces can be costly, not a good way to start out.
lol sorry we're getting off track of the OP
Cw there are other options besides having children yourself. There are seragent mothers child adoptions, invitro ect. I'm usually the only person who uses RT on this forums lol. lol Thats sort of some bad logic lol.( i can't even say cra* man this sucks)cameronw said:Being gay or living the Homosexual lifestyle just does not fit in the cycle of life. Lets not even look at what the bible says but rather life in general. Life begets Life. To have life you must create it in some form. The current system that works is that Man and Woman procreate. The woman gets pregnant and has child. So here starts the circle of life. It then starts all over again. Child grows up, meets someone of the opposite sex, they procreate and have child. That child grows up meets someone of same sex for relationship, they (procreate) wait no child. Circle of life ends. I hope this explains in a nutshell why homosexuality is not natural.
I guess if homosexuals aren't careful and listening to the Evolutionist pretty soon men will start having kids. I guess that would be wierd but hey evolutionist are right aren't they?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_fixe.htm
-cw
FSTDT said:No worries.
One of the reasons why I dont really care for appeal to the bible is because it doesnt tell me why.
Not that I mind your thoughtful contribution, but I want to keep the focus of this thread on why homosexuality is right or wrong in the first place, I dont want to shift the focus of this thread to gay marriage (it very easily derails a thread).Gay and bisexual people can be equally religious as any other straight person. Marriage has existed before christianty and not all religions follow the same dogma as christianty. And even now marriage is nothing more than a legal binding document. Hell I heard on the news today that two straight guys got married just for the tax breaks.
That being said, please keep your pollution out of my thread. Thank you.staugustine68 said:Do you know why they don't kiss in front of thier parents? Because it's shameful!
I dont care what God thinks, I want to know why he is opposed. Can you tell me why?Adiya said:If God is not opposed to man on man sex or woman on woman sex
Dont single out homosexuality. All sex carries a risk. Given the fact that disease is indiscriminate about your sexuality, nothing is explained about why homosexuality is immoral, and heterosexuality is not.Adiya said:There is also the issue of disease:
Homosexual anal intercourse carries a high risk of disease
What does this have to do with morality?I have touched on this in previous threads here. Eve was created to be a "help meet".. not help mate but help meet. She was created in order to help Adam reach his full potential in the ability to worship the Heavenly Father. With Eve, the two became one in the spirit, in the flesh, and before God.... a perfect union, a perfect creation.
Fine and dandy. There are people who believe God is exalted by homosexuality, and these people draw their conclusions from the same bible that your own mutually exclusive conclusions originate. The disagreement is irresolvable, as it renders the rightness or wrongness of homosexuality to be no different than any particular persons opinions - and that is obviously unhelpful.Adiya said:The image of God cannot be reflected in the union between man and man, or woman and woman, or man and beast, or woman and beast. In these unions there is no mirror image of God, and if God is not in the midst of them, there is only one other who can be.
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