Why is evolution wrong?

Tinker Grey · Nov 4, 2007

Tissue said:
I disagree.

This is a forum where people of different opinions can meet with an open mind and good faith and discuss their position based upon fact and reasoning.

You missunderstand. Origins Theology, the forum "above" this one, is the one that is open for debate. The Creationism subforum is a safe-haven for creationists.

You can openly debate there.

Melethiel · Nov 4, 2007

Thank you to the other TEs for attempting to clarify. Tissue, this forum is a "safe haven" for Creationists to discuss things among themselves without having to deal with constant debates. As per the forum guidelines, non-Creationists are limited to non-debating posts. There are other forums, such as Origins Theology or CrEvo down in Debate for open discussion.

Tissue · Nov 4, 2007

Ah. Didn't realize how wishy-washy this sub-forum was. My mistake.

EDIT: As a point of clarification, I'm perfectly content with the idea of creationism. I do think, however, that when someone asks a question about why evolution is wrong, they should not be blasted by such biased and misleading opinions.

Biblewriter · Nov 5, 2007

Tissue said:
Ah. Didn't realize how wishy-washy this sub-forum was. My mistake.

EDIT: As a point of clarification, I'm perfectly content with the idea of creationism. I do think, however, that when someone asks a question about why evolution is wrong, they should not be blasted by such biased and misleading opinions.

No one blasted anyone in this thread. A specific question was asked. That question, as you mentioned, was, "What's wrong with evolution?"

The question was answered in straightforward manner by a number of members. This is not "blasting."

FallingWaters · Nov 5, 2007

Tissue said:
Ah. Didn't realize how wishy-washy this sub-forum was...

They always resort to insults.

busterdog · Nov 5, 2007

FallingWaters said:
They always resort to insults.

Sort of like saying, so sorry, my mistake, mea culpa, didn't realize you were all morons. Was that part of Mt 18? Guess I missed that.

FallingWaters · Nov 5, 2007

busterdog said:
Sort of like saying, so sorry, my mistake, mea culpa, didn't realize you were all morons. Was that part of Mt 18? Guess I missed that.

Right. Exactly.

linssue55 · Nov 5, 2007

PaladinGirl said:
What are some of the major reasons why evolution is wrong?

There is only one major reason why it is wrong, and it is the ONLY reason needed;

It is totally OUTSIDE of the perfect plan of God. It did not come from God.......it came from man, and man alone.

shernren · Nov 5, 2007

FallingWaters said:
They always resort to insults.

busterdog said:
Sort of like saying, so sorry, my mistake, mea culpa, didn't realize you were all morons. Was that part of Mt 18? Guess I missed that.

I think he was talking about this:

Tissue said:
Nonetheless, I find it quite odd that I am maligned for wishing to start an argument on this matter, while others have already begun the argument. Indeed, those who think it inapproriate to start such an argument are arguing against me.

And that, friends, is what is known as a logical fallacy.

... which is a fair and interesting point.

Biblewriter · Nov 5, 2007

shernren said:
I think he was talking about this:

... which is a fair and interesting point.

(You quoted the complaint that we maligned him for wishing to start an argument and then argued with him.)

There is a distinct difference between debate and argument. Debate can be respectful and enlightening to all who participate, as well as to those who listen. (The infamous "lurkers.")

Argument, on the other hand, is never respectful and is never helpful, except in venting emotions.

Argument is inappropriate everywhere in all forums on this website. Debate, while healthy, is also forbidden in this sub-forum.

In addition, non-creationists are forbidden to post in this forum. You are fully aware of this, the moderator has specifically pointed it out to you. Yet you continue to post here. This is a flagrant and willful violation of the rules.

Melethiel · Nov 5, 2007

They're allowed to post here - just not debate.

Dannager · Nov 5, 2007

Biblewriter said:
In addition, non-creationists are forbidden to post in this forum. You are fully aware of this, the moderator has specifically pointed it out to you. Yet you continue to post here. This is a flagrant and willful violation of the rules.

Does the fact that we're allowed to even post here bother you?

Biblewriter · Nov 5, 2007

Dannager said:
Does the fact that we're allowed to even post here bother you?

No, only that there was a mod post that said otherwise. But I see it has been removed.

shernren · Nov 5, 2007

Phew. Glad that's been cleared up ... it can be really unsettling around here with all the recent and recurrent policy changes.

FallingWaters · Nov 6, 2007

Dannager said:
Does the fact that we're allowed to even post here bother you?

It bothers me, mostly because so many times even though non-creationists are only supposed to fellowship here, it never fails that some come in and insult us.

Before the most recent rule change, all the creationists here had voted to not allow non-creationists to post here at all because of the inability of some to see that their posts and comments were insulting and belittling.

After they were banned, I had to disable my PM options because some pushy types would PM me to get in my face!

Dannager · Nov 6, 2007

FallingWaters said:
It bothers me, mostly because so many times even though non-creationists are only supposed to fellowship here, it never fails that some come in and insult us.

Before the most recent rule change, all the creationists here had voted to not allow non-creationists to post here at all because of the inability of some to see that their posts and comments were insulting and belittling.

After they were banned, I had to disable my PM options because some pushy types would PM me to get in my face!

That "pushy type" was me, and as I remember it the PM I sent you that caused you to react rather strongly wasn't in your face at all. Please, don't sling insults when they're not warranted.

FallingWaters · Nov 6, 2007

Dannager said:
That "pushy type" was me, and as I remember it the PM I sent you that caused you to react rather strongly wasn't in your face at all. Please, don't sling insults when they're not warranted.

Thanks for reminding me you were one of them.
I'm putting you on ignore.

Archaeopteryx · Nov 17, 2007

jckstraw72 said:
bc all that God created was good. if God created via evolution then God must have declared death to be good, since that's part of the evolutionary process, but we know that death is our enemy and Christ came to defeat it. evolution makes God contradict Himself.

Interestingly, in the theology of J.R.R. Tolkien, as expressed in his literary work The Silmarillion, death was initially God's gift to humanity. However, the dark lord Morgoth (think Satan) perverted this gift thereby making evil from what was originally good.

busterdog · Nov 18, 2007

bjspurple said:
Interestingly, in the theology of J.R.R. Tolkien, as expressed in his literary work The Silmarillion, death was initially God's gift to humanity. However, the dark lord Morgoth (think Satan) perverted this gift thereby making evil from what was originally good.

An old Catholic teaching is that but for the fall no Jesus would have been necessary and we would have missed out. Actually, that's kind of stupid, given all the scripture showing that Jesus was not a created being.

Tolkien was a great, great thinker. And while God uses it all, Ron 8:28, some of it is not blessing.

Look at the last chapter of revelation. Death is cast into the Lake of fire with the devil and the beast, etc. I found that very odd that death would be called by name and treated like a fallen sentient being. As an origins issue, then the question becomes, what exactly did enter the garden of Eden with the fall? Is this one reason that Adam and Eve were so terrified, confronting a being known as Death?

I will side with the theology of Monty Python, in which death is an uninvited pest at a dinner party.

GRIM REAPER: I am the Grim Reaper. GEOFFREY: Who? GRIM REAPER: The Grim Reaper. GEOFFREY: Yes, I see. GRIM REAPER: I am death. GEOFFREY: Yes, well, the thing is, we've got some people from America for dinner tonight, and-- ANGELA: Who is it, darling? GEOFFREY: It's a 'Mr. Death' or something. He's come about the reaping? I don't think we need any at the moment. ANGELA: Hello. Well, don't leave him hanging around outside, darling. Ask him in. GEOFFREY: Darling, I don't think it's quite the moment. ANGELA: Do come in. Come along in. Come and have a drink. Do. Come on.

Adoniram · Dec 10, 2007

Tissue said:
Simple fact is, there's nothing in the Bible that says evolution can't be true.

Is this statement really true?

I guess what we're talking about is the "process" by which man came to be. Evolution contends it was a process starting with an extremely simple lifeform (they won't define what it was or how it came to be in the first place), which over millions of years of reproduction, through "natural selection" and "beneficial" mutation, slowly and gradually evolved into a man. The Bible contends that there was not much process to it. God picked up some dirt, fashioned it in the form of a man, and breathed life into him.

Gen. 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."

It is interesting to note that the Hebrew word for "man" in this verse (also in Gen. 1:26 & 27), and the Hebrew word for "Adam," in Gen. 2:19, where we first find that name, are the same. The Hebrew word is: 'âdâm. It means "human being," or "first man."

Gen. 2:7 could easily read "And the LORD God formed Adam of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being."

The Bible indicates that God created a specific, first person, whose name is known as Adam, whose history is told and remembered, and that he was created whole and complete in one act.

It's simply not credible to believe that the God of the Bible, a God of means, power, and purpose, who provides and cares for men so much that he sent his only Son to earth to provide the means for their salvation, would have created men through the process of randomness that is evolution. There is no room for evolution in the Bible, theistic or otherwise.

In regards to the fossil record, age of the universe, and other indicators that evolutionists claim support their theory, I have to agree with Biblewriter that the "evidence" is being grossly misinterpreted (or worse) by a large body of scientists. But I am also confident that in the end, the truth will prevail.

We hope the site problems here are now solved, however, if you still have any issues, please start a ticket in Contact Us

Why is evolution wrong?

Wanderer

Miserere mei, Domine

Well-Known Member

Senior Member

Woman of God

Senior Veteran

Woman of God

Senior Veteran

you are not reading this.

Senior Member

Miserere mei, Domine

Back in Town

Senior Member

you are not reading this.

Woman of God

Back in Town

Woman of God

Wanderer

Senior Veteran

Senior Member

Similar threads

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency