Why is Every Other Religion Wrong?

SkyWriting · Jul 29, 2011

salida said:
Radiocarbon dating isn't always that accurate.

Radiocarbon dating
http://creation.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter4.pdf

Turin shroud test flawed
http://creation.com/focus-111

In some cases quite useless for real world dating efforts.

cubinity · Jul 29, 2011

I've heard that eHarmony does a pretty good job with real world dating efforts...

SkyWriting · Jul 29, 2011

cubinity said:
I've heard that eHarmony does a pretty good job with real world dating efforts...

Another rumor from the rumor mill.

golgotha61 · Jul 29, 2011

I need to clarify a couple of things. One: do you believe there is a God and how would you describe Him? Two: do you believe in the historical existence of Jesus and how would you describe Him?

Also, you say you were born again at one time and you recanted your faith. Is this accurate? If so, would you fill me in on why you felt the need to seek the truthfulness of the Bible by using outside sources and also what led up to your loss of faith?
I’m just kind of confused since you identify yourself as an atheist but you seem to have a belief in God. If you believe in God, you don’t fit the classical definitions of an atheist.

SkyWriting · Jul 30, 2011

humblehumility said:
Why did something have to come from nothing? Why did time have to start from nothing? Could it not be the case that our universe came from another universe, and our time from another time?

Not allowed. That's just a mental delaying tactic so we can ask....Ok, where did THAT universe come from. And THAT time come from.

Clearly you've not thought this through. I hesitate to continue reading, as your showing signs of being insincere.

So Jesus, like the chair makers son, is a part of his father because he came from him, but is not the father himself. Jesus is a divine "piece" of God, but not God himself.

So you haven't read the Bible. I'm getting suspicious.
No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us.

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father

I wish more historians had recorded and taken note of the most important person to ever visit Earth, it's a bit sketchy that the only real details we have are in the Bible. I've seen a couple places that mention the existence of Jesus (which I'll grant), but nothing about his divinity.

Then you and they are frankly, not among the blessed.

John 20:29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed
are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

For me, Christianity is just too old of a religion and the people that we trust to record and pass on the word may have been...unpredictable.

Then you have a goal to prove they were unpredictable.
If you discover that they were, then you can toss your doubts.

You're right, there is no way to prove the Incarnation to be absolutely false. That's because our evidence for it is incredibly weak, and it relies almost purely on subjective belief. Given the history of religion, I think it's much more likely that the Incarnation never happened, or was staged (with a double maybe?).

It's nearly impossible to map out how Christianity ever got a foothold in society without the resurrection event.

I think that's a tough one, because personal religious experience is usually so powerful that it's near impossible to have a desire to feel any other way. That's why personal (spiritual) experience isn't what influenced my deconversion from Christianity.

Possibly you were a person who attended church. Many do.
I have a family member who is a pastor, and does not have a saving faith.

johnd1987 · Jul 30, 2011

Every other religion was started by Satan. The mystery religions all have the same stories and mythologies no matter what part of the world they are on, only the names are different. They even have the Cain and Abel story only Cain is depicted as the good guy. Satan knew a person named Jesus Christ would be born. He did a preemptive attack on Christianity with Krishna. People say the name Christ was just stolen from Krishna to discredit Christianity etc.

That's why Jesus is the only way. The end times deceptions will discredit his name and the fact that he died and rose again. They will plant their false Christ which will unite Christianity and Islam etc.

humblehumility · Jul 31, 2011

golgotha61 said:
One: do you believe there is a God and how would you describe Him?

No, I don't, but it's pretty hard to explore Christianity when you start with the premise that God doesn't exist.

Two: do you believe in the historical existence of Jesus and how would you describe Him?

Yes I do in the sense that I'm not really the guy to argue "Well technically we have no proof that Jesus even existed." I don't think he was "divine" or had any additional powers that regular humans don't have though. He is the Muhammad of Islam, the Buddha of Buddhism, the Krishna of Hinduism, etc.

If so, would you fill me in on why you felt the need to seek the truthfulness of the Bible by using outside sources

Because that's the best way to research and find the truthfulness in anything. Subjectively speaking, anything can be true. 2+2 can equal 5 if I really believe it does in my mind. The only way to find what 2+2 really equals is by verifying the question with external sources/opinions.

and also what led up to your loss of faith?

Many things, one of the main ones being this thread. Christianity fits in just like any other religion does. Stories, promises, heroes, good vs. evil, afterlife, etc etc. It makes much more sense that Christianity is just "another religion", and offers nothing special.

humblehumility · Jul 31, 2011

SkyWriting said:
Not allowed. That's just a mental delaying tactic so we can ask....Ok, where did THAT universe come from. And THAT time come from.

No, it's not a mental delaying tactic. Can you prove that nothing came before our universe? Where did God exist during this time?

The existence of God is just as circular as the existence of an infinite series of universes (or multiverses). And in the same way, they are both unknown.

Clearly you've not thought this through. I hesitate to continue reading, as your showing signs of being insincere.

Please, show me proof that all of time and space that ever existed started at the Big Bang.

No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us.

Yes, God is revealed through Jesus. But Father and Son are two separate things, they are not one. I don't really care about arguing the semantics of the trinity though, it's pretty irrelevant to the topic of this thread.

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father

I thought no one has ever seen God?

John 20:29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed
are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

A pretty easy line to add in if you want to convince everybody that they don't need proof in order to believe something. It makes the Bible that much more believable.

Then you have a goal to prove they were unpredictable.
If you discover that they were, then you can toss your doubts.

Prove that people are unpredictable? Have you ever played the telephone game? Have you ever experienced the real world? People lie, people make things up, people try to spread false ideas...it's human nature. Of course it's plausible that the writers of the Bible lied, exaggerated, and made up stories to push forward their own personal agendas.

It's nearly impossible to map out how Christianity ever got a foothold in society without the resurrection event.

And like I said, it wouldn't be too difficult to stage an elaborate hoax to make it seem like the resurrection really happened.

People don't come back from the dead lol, it just doesn't happen. If it does, I'd like to see proof of it. A 2,000 year long game of telephone isn't enough proof for me.

humblehumility · Jul 31, 2011

And I'm not even going to respond to the Shroud comments unless somebody can give me a verified source (non-Biblically biased or made by creationists) showing how inaccurate radio carbon dating is. That argument is ridiculous.

salida · Jul 31, 2011

humblehumility said:
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Buddhists do not believe Jesus is God.

True!

salida · Jul 31, 2011

humblehumility said:
And I'm not even going to respond to the Shroud comments unless somebody can give me a verified source (non-Biblically biased or made by creationists) showing how inaccurate radio carbon dating is. That argument is ridiculous.

The history channel isn't a religious channel-if your truly interested it would seem like you would at least take the time out and investigate this on your own, The Face of Jesus.

There are scientists who have phD's who believe in creation. It seems like your only interested in the philosophy of agnostic and athiestic scientists.

The Myth of Abiogenesis
http://www.studytoanswer.net/origins/abiogenesis.html
If you put intelligent design and compare the evidence of abiogenesis-you will find that the overwhelming circumstantial evidence is intelligent design.

60% of doctors take an ID position
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2005/05/poll_60_percent_of_doctors_reject_darwin000937.html

(religious people started the discoveries in science)
www.adherents.com/people/100_scientists.html
http://www.trueorigin.org/abio.asp

Whats interesting is that many athiest promote science but many religious people started the scientific discoveries.

salida · Jul 31, 2011

humblehumility said:
And I'm not even going to respond to the Shroud comments unless somebody can give me a verified source (non-Biblically biased or made by creationists) showing how inaccurate radio carbon dating is. That argument is ridiculous.

Ok, no problem. This isn't religious sources.

http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/how-reliable-is-radiocarbon-dating
　

(radiocarbon dating not accurate)
http://books.google.com/books?id=QQEAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=radiocarbon+dating+isn't+accurate&source=bl&ots=Mas98KKMNs
&sig=0mSfzbIOsecaOb4G6EsCMUzTGGg&hl=en&ei=c8w1To6mKMfisQKNoNzeCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFEQ6AEwCDgy#

The weather, sample size, etc. as the religious ones said the same thing.

humblehumility · Jul 31, 2011

salida said:
Ok, no problem. This isn't religious sources.

http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/how-reliable-is-radiocarbon-dating
　

(radiocarbon dating not accurate)
http://books.google.com/books?id=QQEAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=radiocarbon+dating+isn't+accurate&source=bl&ots=Mas98KKMNs
&sig=0mSfzbIOsecaOb4G6EsCMUzTGGg&hl=en&ei=c8w1To6mKMfisQKNoNzeCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFEQ6AEwCDgy#

The weather, sample size, etc. as the religious ones said the same thing.

An opinion paragraph in a social networking section of the Discovery channel, and a Popular Science article. That proof is less than overwhelming. Science isn't perfect, but it can give us a somewhat accurate picture.

What does the Shroud even prove?

cubinity · Jul 31, 2011

humblehumility said:
What does the Shroud even prove?

It provides an alternative to the Popular Mechanics vision of what Jesus likely looked like...

The Shroud version looks an awful lot like Christian Bale's portrayal of Jesus...

What does it prove? People really like making renditions of Jesus, I guess. Although, I think there is overwhelming evidence for that...

salida · Aug 1, 2011

humblehumility said:
An opinion paragraph in a social networking section of the Discovery channel, and a Popular Science article. That proof is less than overwhelming. Science isn't perfect, but it can give us a somewhat accurate picture.

What does the Shroud even prove?

The point is you wanted something nonreligious and you got it; it doesn't surprise me at all that no matter what proof you get your not impressed because it doesn't promote your philosophy. It seems like you want to debate not inquire.

I didn't bring up the shroud-if its accurate it just adds to the already overwhelming circumstantial evidence to history.

humblehumility · Aug 1, 2011

salida said:
The point is you wanted something nonreligious and you got it; it doesn't surprise me at all that no matter what proof you get your not impressed because it doesn't promote your philosophy. It seems like you want to debate not inquire.

Haha the "nonreligious" proof you gave me isn't remotely close to being accurate proof. Of course I'm going to reject it.

I didn't bring up the shroud-if its accurate it just adds to the already overwhelming circumstantial evidence to history.

What exactly is it evidence of?

salida · Aug 1, 2011

I find it funny that yout think I'm trying to impress you-what you decide are not decide doesn't affect me -just providing you with info you asked for.

Did you come here thinking your going to change our minds hahaha. To me this is like someone trying to change my mind into thinking there are flying yellow elephants.

Evidence of bible reliability is what I was referring to.

Why everything can’t be proven scientifically
Many people think that if something can't be proved scientifically then is completely false and doesn't exist. But this is a myth. The Scientific method is not the only way to prove the validity of something. It everything was like this then you can't prove that Abraham Lincoln was the president of the U.S because you can't repeat this event that belongs to the past. Also you can't prove scientifically that you had a test last Wednesday at AM, because you can't repeat it again in a controlled manner where you can register observations and data. Once it happens it is history. Anything that can't be proved scientifically can be proved by the historical method or the evidential method, which includes oral testimonies, physical testimonies. This method is used in the courts of the whole world to prove evidence and is the only one that is applied in historical events. The way that was proven that The scientific method is limited and you can't proved the events mentioned before.

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