• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Why is Christianity opposed to the theory of Evolution?

Status
Not open for further replies.

SteveB28

Well-Known Member
May 14, 2015
4,032
2,426
96
✟21,415.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist

Well said. Whilst our views on matters supernatural would be at some variance, it is encouraging to see such a healthy view of reality. And, like you, I have spent many valuable hours in that august establishment in Sydney, both in my youth and latter years.
 
Reactions: Ada Lovelace
Upvote 0

SteveB28

Well-Known Member
May 14, 2015
4,032
2,426
96
✟21,415.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist

Are you aware that these claims of yours have been rubbished, hundreds of times, by people far more knowledgeable than I?

You really should expand your reading beyond that of those with vested interests in 'dumbing you down'.
 
Upvote 0

TheQuietRiot

indomitable
Aug 17, 2011
1,583
330
West Yorkshire
✟27,002.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
These threads crack me up. On one end I feel like the die hard anti evolution posters should just be ignored by the biologists and scientists on this board and just left to argue the specifics of their creationist theories between themselves. I only say this in the sense that your knowledge and time feels wasted as such people are in such a deep stage of denial that they are unconvincable of anything that contradicts their religion.

But on the other hand I'm sure there are many reasonable open minded people here who pass through here (lurkers come to mind) who do benefit greatly from the knowledge you guys provide. I don't need to name you but thankyou, because you have educated me also.
 
Upvote 0

In situ

in vivo veritas
May 20, 2013
1,754
324
Amsterdam
✟30,712.00
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Private
Is it because it refutes the idea of Adam and Eve, original sin, and coming of Jesus? Or are there any other reasons?

There is no conflict between the theory of evolution and Christianity. The majority of Christians are just fine with it. Certain groups of Christians might have problem with it, but that does not represent all if Christianity. The question is malformed.
 
Reactions: Ada Lovelace
Upvote 0

Aman777

Christian
Jan 26, 2013
10,351
584
✟30,043.00
Faith
Baptist
This is your claim. The burden of proof belongs to you. It is a fallacy to ask someone to prove a negative.


Speak for yourself ole preacher of Apeism. I've told you that Human blood was contaminated with the blood of prehistoric people and you have found it impossible to refute that idea.

Jon:>>This is your claim. The burden of proof belongs to you. It is a fallacy to ask someone to prove a negative.

Humans (descendants of Adam) have inherited his unique superior intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22 Prehistoric people evolved from the common ancestor of Apes according to Science. This means that prehistoric people were NOT Humans (descendants of Adam) UNTIL they married and had children with Noah's descendants. The children inherited Adam's superior intelligence AND the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes. Gen 6:4 The SEVEN Billion Humans alive on Planet Earth today have BOTH within their genetics.

With YOUR understanding, explain HOW the superior intelligence of God got inside today's Humans, since in Nature it happens ONLY through inheritance? This eliminates ANY need for the impossible number of positive mutations it would take to change an Ape into a Human, as the false assumption of the ToE states.

You have offered NO evidence to support your idea that Humans magically evolved from prehistoric people in Violation of the Historic evidence given you.

Jon:>>Evolution by natural selection isn't magic. I never claimed a magical process. You're building a strawman.

It would have to be magic since it did NOT happen. You forgot about the Flood, which God calls His Snare, in which He catches men. Were you aware of the increased condemnations earned by those who offend any child who believes in Jesus? Have you ever told anyone that Jesus is just a myth and Science is a Fact? If so, then you qualify for increased punishment, according to Jesus. Mar 9:42 No straw man, just Fact.

Your message is provable wrong and you have not been able to defend your False ToE?

Jon:>>Several lines of evidence have been provided to you. You cannot address it because it conflicts with your deeply held beliefs.

False accusation, since I show that God's Truth MUST agree in every way with every other discovered Truth of Science and History. If it doesn't, then one must continue to search for the One Truth. God's Truth of Genesis AGREES with every other discovered Truth of mankind IF one has the proper interpretation which you obviously do Not. God Bless you
 
Reactions: laurie2777
Upvote 0

Gene2memE

Newbie
Oct 22, 2013
4,665
7,222
✟344,889.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private

Physical laws are descriptions of what we observe in the universe. There are not only laws on physics, there are also laws in biology and evolutionary biology.

To say that macroevolution (really just evolution) violates physical laws and aging is based on circular reasoning betrays a lack of understanding of not only biology, but also physics and chemistry as well.

This is a fascinating article, published in PubMed and freely available, that describes a framework for the development of robust laws, similar to physics or chemistry, for biology. Yes, that also includes laws for evolution.
 
Upvote 0

Justatruthseeker

Newbie
Site Supporter
Jun 4, 2013
10,132
996
Tulsa, OK USA
✟177,504.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Widowed
Politics
US-Others
You do realise that we have varieties of living things, existing now, that don't have reproductive systems as such !?

If you want to call the minor differences between all Asians micro-evolution, yes we see it. If you want to call the actual variation within the species observed (Asian mates with African and produces an Afro-Asian - Husky mates with mastiff and produces a Chinook) evolution, then you would be confused as to how real variation occurs within a species.

And those that do not have reproductive systems already contain the full set of instructions within their code. And they vary only within that limited variance permitted when Asian mates with Asian. While they then ignore the variation produced when Asian mates with African and produces an Afro-Asian.

We all understand quite well that after billions of mutations and billions of generations, those E coli or any you care to name remained exactly the same infraspecific taxa within the species they started as. E coli remained E coli. Only the variation observed within the Asian population is seen among them. They never even have the possibility of becoming different infraspecific taxa within the species, because they never receive new genetic material, they always remain the same exact one with but minor variation.

EDIT:

Just as we see among the Asian population, or African, or Husky, or Mastiff, or T-Rex, or .................... (insert any animal or bacteria or virus name here)
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Ada Lovelace

Grateful to scientists and all health care workers
Site Supporter
Jun 20, 2014
5,316
9,295
California
✟1,024,756.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
In Relationship

I quickly learned as a newbie which people write posts that are akin to a dilapidated merry-go-round that just spins around and around and never provides a fresh perspective, never fixes the obvious malfunctions, and just keeps screeching, and put them on my ignore list. I do sometimes read the responses to those people by users who are knowledgeable about science like SFS and Loudmouth, though. I think they write with the hope it's not just the people they are directly responding to who will read the post. I've honestly benefited from some of the discussions here. I actually thought about this site last spring when I was taking my AP Biology exam (I got a 5 on it!) because of a recent discussion here.
 
Upvote 0

In situ

in vivo veritas
May 20, 2013
1,754
324
Amsterdam
✟30,712.00
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Private

You conflate certain peoples opinion with science and then you conflate peer reviewed knowledge, scientific methodology and reasoning with peoples biased and erratic reasoning and then you assert everyone use evidence and they you assert everyone use the same evidence and then you (seems to) assert it is possible to reach two contradicting conclusions from these "same evidence".

You can only reach conflicting conclusion from the same evidence if your reasoning is faulty, if so then at least one conclusion must be wrong.

Without sin or evil there can be no love and there can be no free will.

In science related forum you cannot just assert things to be true. This assertion is just as logical valid as the assertion that without vanilla ice creams there can be no love and free will. If you gonna make argument without respecting the rules of argumentation then you can as well stop argue directly and just claim you are right and everyone else is wrong straight away. Assertions are not valid, and will never be.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

In situ

in vivo veritas
May 20, 2013
1,754
324
Amsterdam
✟30,712.00
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Private

Sorry I am so confused with creationists argument that I sometime cant tell them apart from claims made by evolutionary biologists. Are you in support of the the theory of evolution or not because this statement is a statement that all life shares at least one common ancestor.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Black Dog

Well-Known Member
Sep 20, 2015
1,696
573
65
✟4,870.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private

Yep, there are some really knowledgeable people here, I've learned a lot as well.
 
Upvote 0

In situ

in vivo veritas
May 20, 2013
1,754
324
Amsterdam
✟30,712.00
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Private
You cannot, however, breed dogs to the place where it is a CAT.

Can you explain why - or do you just believe that?

An evolutionary biologist would claim it not possible to bread a mammal that is a carnivore that is a canine that is a wolf that is a dog to become a mammal that is a carnivore that is a canine that is a wolf and then bread that to become a mammal that is a carnivore that is a canine and then bread that to become a mammal that is a carnivore and then bread that to become a a mammal that is a carnivore that is a feline and then bread that to become a mammal that is a carnivore that is a feline that is a cat.

In English: you cannot bread a dog to become cat because you cannot revert evolutionary changes.

It is the same as to say; you are what you are and will always be.

However the same evolutionary biologist would say you can bread a mammal that is a carnivore that is a canine that is a wolf that is a dog that is something-that-looks-like-a-cat. But add that this is still not a cat per definition of what it means to be a mammal that is a carnivore that is a feline that is a cat. A mammal that is a carnivore that is a canine that is a wolf that is a dog that is something-that-looks-like-a-cat is not a cat it is convergent evolution.

You understand this when you understand what it actually implies to inherent unique characteristic from your parents. A mammal that is a carnivore that is a canine that is a wolf that is dog is an observed fact. It means that dogs exists and they are unique. As such a dog can never become a cat because a cat is observed to be a unique mammal that is a carnivore that is a feline.

That is what the evolutionists believe happened.

Really"? I always "assumed" that was nonsense an ignorant anti-evolutionist just would say because he heard another just as ignorant anti-evolutionist say the same thing because he had no better argument than just make up nonsense to "prove" the theory of evolution is wrong. But I guess since you say it is so it must be so. I mean we evolutionists just assume and beliefs things anyway so why would one belief less or more make any difference to me?
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

justlookinla

Regular Member
Mar 31, 2014
11,767
199
✟35,675.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
There is no conflict between the theory of evolution and Christianity.

There's conflict with the Darwinist view of evolution and Christianity. Darwinist evolution is creation based on a Godless mechanism.

The majority of Christians are just fine with it.

No Christian is fine with Godless evolution.

Certain groups of Christians might have problem with it, but that does not represent all if Christianity. The question is malformed.

Reference a Christian or group who doesn't have a problem with Godless Darwinistic evolution.
 
Reactions: laurie2777
Upvote 0

laurie2777

Active Member
Jul 28, 2015
26
13
73
✟22,711.00
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Just speak in the terminology which reflects the fact that Darwinist evolution is based on guesses, suppositions, could be's and possibly's. What's so difficult in presenting views which are commonly understood?

When people are trying to get you to believe something that is not true..they talk in a manner that is difficult or impossible or to follow.. double talk?

I would imagine that is what you are getting at..
 
Upvote 0

Paul of Eugene OR

Finally Old Enough
Site Supporter
May 3, 2014
6,373
1,858
✟278,532.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married

Have you heard of Billy Graham?

http://www.oldearth.org/billy_graham.htm

"I don't think that there's any conflict at all between science today and the Scriptures. I think that we have misinterpreted the Scriptures many times and we've tried to make the Scriptures say things they weren't meant to say, I think that we have made a mistake by thinking the Bible is a scientific book. The Bible is not a book of science. The Bible is a book of Redemption, and of course I accept the Creation story. I believe that God did create the universe. I believe that God created man, and whether it came by an evolutionary process and at a certain point He took this person or being and made him a living soul or not, does not change the fact that God did create man. ... whichever way God did it makes no difference as to what man is and man's relationship to God."
 
Reactions: Blue Wren
Upvote 0

Paul of Eugene OR

Finally Old Enough
Site Supporter
May 3, 2014
6,373
1,858
✟278,532.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married

That suggestion keeps coming up over and over. Can anybody think of any reason in the world that God would create the universe in such a way? How does one accept this idea and exonerate God from the accusation of being deceptive?

This explanation has absolutely nothing going for it except that it reconciles the findings of science with an earth only 6000 years old. There's no other reason to suggest it. There is no religious reason to predict it and no scientific reason to predict it. It only has its merit as a rescue mechanism for the young earth hypothesis in its favor.
 
Upvote 0

justlookinla

Regular Member
Mar 31, 2014
11,767
199
✟35,675.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married

Yes, I've heard of Billy Graham. Does he embrace Godless Darwinist evolution? From the quote above, it doesn't seem that he does
 
Upvote 0

justlookinla

Regular Member
Mar 31, 2014
11,767
199
✟35,675.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married

What difference does it make, 6,000 years or 6 billion years old?
 
Upvote 0

Justatruthseeker

Newbie
Site Supporter
Jun 4, 2013
10,132
996
Tulsa, OK USA
✟177,504.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Widowed
Politics
US-Others

Where did you get that idea from? You mean all dogs share (two) ancestors, as all cats share (two) ancestors. That you confuse some cats that breed and produce fertile offspring in front of your eyes as separate species is a personal problem you have yet to deal with in your Fairie Dust classification system.

That you think it's ok to call birds that mate and produce fertile offspring separate species is also a personal problem you have yet to deal with.

That you then expect others to ignore what is right in front of their eyes is when it becomes my problem - and I am not going to let you ignore it. I mean come on In situ - the whole reason Darwin's Finches were classified as separate species is because they believed they were re-productively isolated. But the DNA data - not just their eyes - told them they had been interbreeding from the start. Yet here you are, trying to ignore that "in situ" data in favor of pure theory.

You are going to ignore Asian mating with African producing an Afro-Asian, or Husky mating with Mastiff producing a Chinook. And instead claim the tiny variations between all Husky is what causes variation - when Husky always remain Husky. Just as T-Rex remained T-Rex. As Asian will always remain Asian - no matter how many mutations they undergo.

The Husky will NEVER become a Chinook, nor will the Mastiff. The Asian nor the African will ever become an Afro-Asian. Until they mate they will all always remain the same as they always were, with but minor variation from that genome damage.

And the Asian will still remain Asian, the Husky the Husky - the only thing that will change is a new infraspecific taxa (within the species) will appear suddenly.

First you want to separate everything into separate species - now you want to make them all one. Make up your mind what you want to do?
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.