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Why in Physics we have proofs, but in Theology - arguments?

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There are God proofs, but in debates we call them "arguments". So, we are inviting unbelievers to argue (the word "argue" is like the "argu-ment"). Let the opposer-s call our proofs the "arguments". Do you say in school: "the argument of Pythagorean theorem is following...."?!
 

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There are God proofs, but in debates we call them "arguments". So, we are inviting unbelievers to argue (the word "argue" is like the "argu-ment"). Let the opposer-s call our proofs the "arguments". Do you say in school: "the argument of Pythagorean theorem is following...."?!
Strictly, the only proofs in science are analytic (formal logic and mathematics).

Which 'arguments' did you want to argue?
 
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There are God proofs, but in debates we call them "arguments". So, we are inviting unbelievers to argue (the word "argue" is like the "argu-ment"). Let the opposer-s call our proofs the "arguments". Do you say in school: "the argument of Pythagorean theorem is following...."?!

You have the beginnings of an argument for presuppositional apologetics.
 
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Why in Physics we have proofs, but in Theology - arguments?
Actually it's the other way around.

Scientists love to argue, and their biggest argument is evolution.

That's why Paul refers to evolution as "endless genealogies."

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

And notice three things here:
  1. It ministers questions and more questions. That's why scientists question us to death about our faith.
  2. It doesn't edify God. In fact, it kicks Him out of school and off of our courthouse lawns.
  3. It isn't true faith. The object of science's faith is nature, not God.
 
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There are God proofs, but in debates we call them "arguments". So, we are inviting unbelievers to argue (the word "argue" is like the "argu-ment"). Let the opposer-s call our proofs the "arguments". Do you say in school: "the argument of Pythagorean theorem is following...."?!
Not all the sciences are equal when it comes to how they're done. Physics for example can explain the observable movement of planets, just like the Pythagorean theorem explains the relationship of three sides of a right angle triangle. This is why you won't hear in school "the argument of Pythagorean theorem is following....". Darwinian theory on the other hand lacks that kind of structure, it too relies on an argument made up of a series of anecdotes and hunches as Dr. David Berlinkski points out.
 
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There are God proofs, but in debates we call them "arguments". So, we are inviting unbelievers to argue (the word "argue" is like the "argu-ment"). Let the opposer-s call our proofs the "arguments". Do you say in school: "the argument of Pythagorean theorem is following...."?!
As others have pointed out, physics doesn't have proofs either; it's the math used in physics that has proofs. Physics has evidence: observations and experiments that support the idea that a particular mathematical model is a good description of reality.
 
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What about Philosophical line of thinking?
Paul warns of that with strong words:

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Those "rudiments of the world" can be found on the Periodic Table of the Elements.

Evolutionists will use God's creation (the elements) to show how we are glorified apes, by getting right down to the molecular level with DNA.
 
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Take the design-proof: "the Nature is more complex than watch, the latter is designed, so the Nature is designed." What is supposed here?
That complexity is a criterium for "design" - and not only a criterium but the single only criterium.
 
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That complexity is a criterium for "design" - and not only a criterium but the single only criterium.
The complexity of Nature is the difficulty to grasp (with human mind) how it all works. Same is with watch.
 
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Paul warns of that with strong words:

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. ...
These are false philosophers the Paul is writing about.
Here is the holy one:
St. Augustine is a fourth century philosopher whose groundbreaking philosophy infused Christian doctrine with Neoplatonism. Augustine | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
 
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There are God proofs, but in debates we call them "arguments". So, we are inviting unbelievers to argue (the word "argue" is like the "argu-ment"). Let the opposer-s call our proofs the "arguments". Do you say in school: "the argument of Pythagorean theorem is following...."?!

Nope. Proofs only exist in Math.
 
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Ok.
"Difficult to grasp" and "designed" are two entirely different concepts, though.
The Nature is more difficult to understand, than a watch. The latter must be designed, no way around the designer (because the watch is difficult to understand). So, the Nature is designed.
 
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Darwinian theory on the other hand lacks that kind of structure, it too relies on an argument made up of a series of anecdotes and hunches as Dr. David Berlinkski points out.

It does not, no matter what Berlinski and his cohorts at the Discovery Institute have to say.
 
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The complexity of Nature is the difficulty to grasp (with human mind) how it all works. Same is with watch.

Watch making isn't dificult to grasp at all.
Anyone can go and learn to be a watch maker.

Having said that, how "dificult" something is to understand, has no bearing on how it came to be. At all.
 
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