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eoe said:Princeton university english definition. That work or you want more?
eoe said:Do you really want to try to pull the traslation card on a greek orthodox? Seriously?
The Orthodox Church recognizes the sanctity of marriage and sees it as a life-long commitment. However, there are certain circumstances in which it becomes evident that there is no love or commitment in a relationship.
While the Church stands opposed to divorce, the Church, in its concern for the salvation of its people, does permit divorced individuals to marry a second and even a third time.
The Order of the Second or Third Marriage is somewhat different than that celebrated as a first marriage and it bears a penitential character. Second or third marriages are performed by "economy" -- that is, out of concern for the spiritual well being of the parties involved and as an exception to the rule, so to speak.
However, there are certain circumstances in which it becomes evident that there is no love or commitment in a relationship.
No, I base it on what it means and your definition supports it.eoe said:Because you based your argument on fornication being different from adultery. That is how it totally contradicts you.
Debbi, In all honestly- all me and Theresa are asking is where can what they say be found in the bible and they dont want to tell us.debiwebi said:And the merry go round starts up again and everyone jumps on for the ride ........
We go round and round with
Wait I am Catholic I am better, listen to me
Hey wait, I am Orthodox, I am better listent to me!
NO! I am Catholic listen to me
NO! I am Orthodox listen to me
and it DRONES on and on and the merry go round attentend is starting to get bored and REALLY tired because he is dizzy already .....
No better yet I feel like I am at a tennis match watching the ball being lobbed back and forth across the court with the score always coming up nothing for either side
BUT ESPECIALLY CHRIST
When does He get to score one here?????????????
AHHHHHHH such Christian Love we have for one another it does the Body Good I tell you ..... Only I see none of it being displyed here IMHO
The Law On Divorce, 5:31-32
"It hath been said, 'Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement.' But I say unto you that whosoever shall put away his wife, saying for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery; and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced cometh of evil."Jewish men at the beginning of the Christian era had the right to divorce their wives and marry again. Jesus Christ forbids divorce save for the cause of fornication. The Eastern Orthodox Church permits divorce only on the grounds of adultery and reasons such as insanity, abandonment and changing of faith. Under these conditions, second and third marriages are permitted in the Orthodox Church.
I agree. I also tried to do this over and over again (search my earlier posts here and read them). I am not going to allow someone to misrepresent my faith. That is what is happening here.TIME TO GROW UP PEOPLE AND ACT LIKE MATURE CHRISTIANS....time to put away childish things and bickerings!
I will as soon as I get back I have to run for a couple of hours but there are things I have to dispute with them too as far as their ideas too..... they forget I am Eastern CatholicShelb5 said:Debbi, In all honestly- all me and Theresa are asking is where can what they say be found in the bible and they dont want to tell us.
maybe you can shed some light on the eastern marriage deal.
Wait, when are we ever allowed to stop being committed and stop loving our spouse? You can not be let out of marriage- this is exactly what Jesus was talking about. Because of the hardness of heart you allow divorce (when someone just stops being committed) and that is wrong- the only time it is allowed is when there is fornication involved and that does not exclusively mean when a spouse cheats on you it means when the marriage was not God joined.eoe said:So - in like 2 minues of looking I find this. I want to point out something:
Based on this why can we not just say that the people were never really married? The marriage just didn't "take". They were fornicating but we can nullify it and let them get married again!
It is semantics - wordgames and NTS. This is the same game that protestants play with "Once saved always saved and can't fall away". Semantics. Marriage has no love or commitmment? Marriage must not have ever been there.
Off to get more....
eoe said:HERE WE GO:
So - There you have the three reasons that divorce is granted and someone would have the right to remarry.
Would the RC church allow someone an annulment / marriage in these cases?
- Adultery
- Insanity
- Abandonment
- Changing the faith
Now where is this in the bible or done by the early church?
eoe said:Where does Jesus say it is ok to swear a vow? HUH? Think I should make a hundred or so posts blasting the RC for allowing a vow?
I don't think so.. you would do well not being nasty with me.Hello kettle? Yeah this is pot. Got something to tell you...
Where is
Limbo?
Purgatory?
Mary as co-mediatrix/redemptrix?
Where is alot of RC doctrine?
the only time it is allowed is when there is fornication involved and that does not exclusively mean when a spouse cheats on you it means when the marriage was not God joined.
ufonium2 said:So here's the text of the Ukrainian Catholic wedding ceremony (someone tell me if this is a vagante group, but it looked real to me) and it's the same (vowless) ceremony used in the Orthodox Church.
http://www.archeparchy.ca/liturgical/mysteries/crowning.htm
Marriage Vows
I, N., take you, N., to be my wife (husband),
and promise that in marriage I will love you,
be true to you and honour you
and be faithful to you
all the days of my life:
so help me God,
one in the Holy Trinity
and all the saints.
The priest looses their hands and says, while blessing them:
Priest: What God has united, man must not separate.
eoe said:No. That is not what fornication means. Fornication is sex outside of marriage.
What you are saying is that the Roman Catholic Church can grant an annullment anytime that it determines that there was never a marriage to begin with.
Really Father - he never wanted to marry me! After all he never told me that he was crazy! That is fraud!
No Father - he didn't really love me! HE committed fornication! There was no marriage!
No Father - he didn't ever love me! If he ever loved me he would not have abandoned me!
No Father - She never really married me if she had she would not have converted to Islam.
Roman Catholic people get divorced DAILY in the courts of the US. You think they remain celebate? They can't remarry in the RC church so what do they do? They get married by a protestant minister and go about thier life.
That is a better solution?
Really? Jesus never said we can divorce. Paul and Jesus said the only marriage that can be put away are the ones that never was your view simply contradicts the bible. And please watch how to talk to me.SEMANTICS - only we don't make up a bunch of crap about the marriage never existing. We call it like it is - a divorce - a massive failure. Only under certain conditions is one person allowed to remarry.
You present it as if it were a casual thing. It is not.
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