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jameseb said:NOT!!!!
I lived in Minneapolis before! Whether you're going to the grocery store or the mailbox one block away, every trip always seems to take an hour!
JimfromOhio said:Wow you are fast. You have a store in your house? LOL
JimfromOhio said:My brother is Catholic and they gave him permission to remarry to another woman. ummm interesting.
CaDan said:But I live in the Saintly City!
Three blocks to work, five blocks to the grocery store, three blocks to the law school with a full library.
I can never move!
Joykins said:Hey, some of us need only go to the fridge!
Egg nog
4 eggs, separated
1/2 cup sugar, evenly divided
1/2 cup white rum
1 1/2 cups milk
1 1/2 cups whiskey
1 cup heavy whipping cream, evenly divided
Beat egg yolks with 1/2 of sugar; set aside. Beat egg-whites in a separate bowl until stiff, then mix in other 1/2 of sugar. Poor the yolks into the whites and mix together slowly. Stir in white rum slowly. Stir in milk slowly. Stir in whiskey slowly. Stir in 1/2 of cream slowly. Whip the other 1/2 of cream and fold in carefully.
Serve with a little grated nutmeg on top
thereselittleflower said:Yes, the Catholic Church will give premission to remarry IF they have determined it will not result in entering into the sin of adultery.
This is what we have been saying.
If the first marriage is determined to have not been a sacramental marriage, ie joined by God, then the marriage is not of the type that Jesus said could not be dissolved . .
do you see this?
Peace to all
eoe said:Can we just say that the RC and EO disagree on this and move on? Please?
One of the things that I really like about Orthodoxy is its mystical side. There is a deep spiritual aspect of Christianity that I was totally unaware of as a protestant. The writings of Saint Theophan the Recluse are opening my eyes to a very intense spirituality that I found myself longing for before I found Orthodoxy.
JimfromOhio said:And they say we are bashing the Catholics !!
You assume this based on what?!? Was there a study done to support this claim or something? If so I want to se it I want scientific evidence that will suggest that celibacy causes this frustration to become sick in the head where you crave children.vanshan said:I think extreme sexual frustration can be played out in a number of immoral ways, so why not a frustrated priest expressing his rampant sexual desire to the only innocent target he has access to?
I think the innovation of a celebate priesthood is something the Roman Catholic religion really needs to revisit. You can't keep doing what your doing, since it's not working for you.
I have heard that there was a time when the Universal Church also began requiring celibate priests, but that innovation was ended in the east, so it's not a requirement, nor are celibate priests made parish priests. It really works well for the Orthodox, so have your hierarchy look into the possibility.
Basil
thereselittleflower said:No we aren't Jim . . . This is a twisting of what has happened in this thread.
I guess it is OK for non-Catholic to take pot shots at our faith, make unsubstantiated claims against our own and inflated claims in contrast about theirs and we should just be silent and let you all do it?
Look at the OP again Jim . . we have been defending against those negative statemetns in attack of our faith ever since in this thread. We have been challengng the unfounded claims made by the OP . . that is NOT bashing . .
But bringing up unrelated issues to attack the Catholic Church is bashing Jim . . .
Peace to all
jameseb said:I do believe the Church has just been insulted.
You cannot even acknowledge that this is based on your Roman Catholic beliefs... granted, it may be your matter-of-fact belief, of which you are unapologetic for, but this just comes across as insulting.
I dunno, call me crazy, but I seem to recall something about marital unfaithfulness being mentioned....
And you base this on what? Scripture? I dont think so.vanshan said:Yes, Therese, you are bright enough to figure out that I mean, more precisely, as I have already said, that God allows someone out of the commitment of marriage to remarry. He forgives the sin of breaking the sacrament of matrimony to remarry. Okay? In extreme cases His mercy is sought, and given I believe.
Basil
She isnt doing that and neither are we. The EO makes this claim (as we do) that they are the true Church all Theresa is doing along with myself an Jason is taking them to task to prove these claims.Polycarp1 said:No, Terese. You are among the last people on this board I would ever have suspected of being a "Nine Commandment Christian" (a sarcastic phrase usually directed at Protestant fundamentalists meaning they dropped the one about bearing false witness, if you weren't aware).
But Basil started a thread to witness to why he had found a church home in Orthodoxy. In the course of that, he of course had to explain their claim to be the original church, from which everyone else has schismed. With you having done that song and dance about Catholicism enough, I'm sure you recognized the tune and steps, even when set to an Eastern tempo.
Then you, Shelby, Jason, and a few others showed up and began bemoaning that woe, it's just another attack on Catholicism.
Well, let me explain this to you in the simplest of terms.
By your own church's teachings, grace is not reserved to practicing Catholics. By your own church's teachings, the Orthodox are guilty of at most schism, and are in full communion with the Catholic Church as far as it itself is concerned (cf. Paul VI).
The person doing all the attacking in this thread has been you -- with assists credited to Jason and Shelby. And I would venture to guess that in the eyes of every non-Catholic involved here, and I'd bet at least one Catholic, you have won the battle but lost the war.
Jesus Christ himself gave us the touchstone to know who His true disciples were, and where truth can be found. It's in the 13th chapter of John.
And you have been showing Christian charity, grace, and mercy to such an extent that Fred Phelps is taking notes in envy of your skill.
It is not for me to say this, but I sincerely think you need to repent, get off your high horse, and start acting like a Christian woman instead of the Arbiter of Catholic Doctrine to whom Pope Benedict looks when he needs to be set straight about something.
Forgive me, but a little straight talk of the Dutch Uncle variety seemed called for.
Basil, when opportunity presents, would you kindly explain oikonomia and its relationship to doctrinal rigidity in a bit more depth?
Ask Basil he brought this up, not me.CaDan said:There's winners here?
Funny, I thought this was just a discussion board.
And the Church calls this the Pauline Privilege.Iollain said:you guys are probably not talking about this subject now, but i've found some other verses about divorce besides fornication:
1Cr 7:10 And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband:
1Cr 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to [her] husband: and let not the husband put away [his] wife.
1Cr 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
1Cr 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
1Cr 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
1Cr 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace.
1Cr 7:16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save [thy] husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save [thy] wife?
1Cr 7:17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
The way it looks, God commands for a husband and wife to be forever faithful to each other, .....but there seems to be forgiveness and terms for divorce as well.
I think I did. No where have I defended and tried to water down the Catholic Churchs sex scandal problem.LucasGoltz said:Are you going to take your own advice?
CaDan said:Well, now that that's over, let's sow the field with salt and move along.
Meanwhile, we still have some cookies and eggnog.
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