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Why I Think Christmas is Not Biblical (Please read OP before posting).

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In my youth I would get upset when the back to school merchandise came out aroumd the start of August. I mean, we all knew our summer vacation was coming to an end, but did they have to rub it in? The poor kids following us, well, I remember a few years later seeing back to school products in mid July. And now probably they have them in June based on current trends.

By the way, your post also reminds me of “The nightmare before Christmas” by Tim Burton, a film which I have always loathed. I particularly hate what Disneyland does to the Haunted Mansion “Holiday Edition.”
 
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In my youth I would get upset when the back to school merchandise came out aroumd the start of August. I mean, we all knew our summer vacation was coming to an end, but did they have to rub it in?
Me too.
But in our case, the merchandise often came out before we'd even broken up! It was like we had to be reminded of school - just in case we might forget.
 
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Similar here - though no decorations yet.
Christmas cards were on sale in September and for those wishing to make their own, Hobbycraft had a display in August!

It drives me absolute bonkers. I'm with you when you said you'd prefer till mid-December.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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At the office yesterday they were getting ready to put up a new display, think snowmen, but jack o'lanterns, with antlers. It was incredibly ridiculous. Not mad at it, because it's whatever. Just thought it was ridiculous.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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At the office yesterday they were getting ready to put up a new display, think snowmen, but jack o'lanterns, with antlers. It was incredibly ridiculous. Not mad at it, because it's whatever. Just thought it was ridiculous.

-CryptoLutheran

I would be angry, offended according to my faith - to the point of filing a discrimination claim. Such a decoration infringes on the feast of All Saints as celebrated on the calendar used by Western Rite Orthodox (at least, by the Antiochian Western Rite Vicarate, which I greatly love, but I think the ROCOR WRV celebrates that feast on October 1st and the Sunday folowing, and other Western liturgical churches such as TLM communities, Continuing Anglo-Catholics, Lutheran Evangelical Catholics, liturgical Methodists, liturgical Congregationalists and Reformed Catholics, etc, and on the Feast of the Nativity as celebrated by everyone (even Armenians, who celebrate it together with the Baptism of our Lord on January 6th)*

*n Jerusalem like all Eastern Christians in the Hagiopolis they use the Julian Calendar so celebrate the Nativity with the Theophany (the Feast of the Baptism of our Lord) on the same day the Eastern Orthodox, Syriac Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox and Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox,
 
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Similar here - though no decorations yet.
Christmas cards were on sale in September and for those wishing to make their own, Hobbycraft had a display in August!
Reminds me of the Charley Brown Thanksgiving that my kids could quote from memory when they were younger.

Sally: I went down to get a Turkey Tree and all they had was things for Christmas.
Charley: Christmas !? Already !?
Linus: Sally, Thanksgiving is a very important holiday Ours was the first country to set aside a day for giving Thanks.
Sally : I haven't finished eating all my Halloween Candy YET !!!!
 
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There are many things in general in addition to the Bible. That's life. But what things we do because we are Christian should have basis from the Bible. Things that are from pagans have been passed on to us, snuck in as Christian. With awareness we can know things like that, which are really not from Christianity and what the Bible does not give basis for. There is the Christmas story. That is in the Bible, we know. Celebrating it and observing one day for that is not at all in it, though. There are only a couple of birthdays referred to in the Bible, being celebrated, that of King Herod and that of the king of Persia in the book of Esther. While we can speak of the account of Christ's birth we can really do that anytime, he wasn't born at that Christmas time anyway. Most other things with it have foreign and pagan sources for observance. We know also why we would observe it. Christians may be more bold speaking of Jesus with speaking of the Christmas story, to what family they gather with at that time that are not Christian. That is the basis original Christians had observing that time with their families of nonbelievers they joined with at that time then, surely. It just continues from that, but not with any support from the Bible. Still there are things for observing shown in the Bible, that are generally being neglected... others are not doing things to observe those so most won't start with any of those things.
 
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Honoring God is Biblical. Remember too that in early Christianity there was no Bible.
 
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You can no more separate materialism from Christmas than you can separate wetness from rain. The two go hand in hand.
I do not know where you live, but near me there are churches that feed and shelter homeless people over Christmas, it can be celebrated on retreat, a family can all give each other Christian charity donations. It is not even hard to separate materialism from Christmas.
 
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There is the Christmas story. That is in the Bible, we know. Celebrating it and observing one day for that is not at all in it, though.
THe Heavenly Host celebrated His coming. I think that's a good example to follow. Saying "it doesn' say we should celebrated on one day" is doctrinal pecksniffery, equivalent to saying "well we don't celebrate His coming on one particular day". Fine, don't.
There are only a couple of birthdays referred to in the Bible, being celebrated, that of King Herod and that of the king of Persia in the book of Esther.
So?
While we can speak of the account of Christ's birth we can really do that anytime
Then 25 December is fine too. Oh come let us adore Him, Christ the Lord!

wasn't born at that Christmas time anyway.
Irrelevant. We don't celebrate the date.
Most other things with it have foreign and pagan sources for observance.
Oh, is this where you regale with with rubbish about "Mithra" and Saturnalia" and every pagan solstice/harvest/whatever stuff that some long dead pagan may or may not have observed at some time or another? Why should I, or anyone else, possibly care? Ancient pagans believe stupid things - stipulated. How much attention should modern day Christians pay to those ancient pagans' presumptive stupid beliefs? Easy - none.


Christians may be more bold speaking of Jesus with speaking of the Christmas story,
One would hope. Unless, or course, they keep silent for fear of offending ancient pagans', I guess.
to what family they gather with at that time that are not Christian.
Not sure what that meant, but since pretty much all my kinfolks are Christians that's not really an issue for me.
not with any support from the Bible.
except that the Heavely Host celebrated on His birth, and at no other time that we know of. Makes for a ptryy sound example to me.
Still there are things for observing shown in the Bible,
Yeah, so we're freqently rold. It generally comes comes down to any feast or observance that doesn't mention our Lord Christ. Doesn't that strike you as a little weird?
that are generally being neglected..
So we should neglect the observation of the two most important events in the history of the world - the coming of our Lord, and His resurrection, Right? Nah. I'll "neglect", oh, let's say, Tabernacles (not given to either the ancient Celts or the ancient Hangooksaram from whom I'm descended), and celebrate the feasts that honor our Lord Christ. You're obviously free to do as you please.
 
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Honoring God is Biblical. Remember too that in early Christianity there was no Bible.

Honoring God is biblical. Yes.

In early Christianity believers gathered at the synagogue on Sabbath and heard what was read from the Bible that was then available.

This is an often repeated falsehood.

No, it is not. If you have points to make, say them.


That's great. Christians can never help the poor as much as the aid they had which is now taken from them. Nothing is in place to help them as much. It is great to feed and shelter those in need but this should not be one day in the year, it really could be done more.


Irrelevant. We don't celebrate the date.

You want to follow the example in Heaven? It would be good if you do. Do you do so as much as I work to do?

I noticed in post from you that you are easily offended. I am not saying anything for you to not observe something, just saying what is in the Bible that isn't observed while there is that much observance using things that are not from the Bible. Whatever we do, that's just the way it is.

People, when you feel what you value is being attacked, whether it is or not, you lash back against things that are not said. Just address the points if you can.
 
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I do not know what you mean about "the aid they had", maybe because I am not in the USA.

I was responding to a statement that it is impossible to avoid materialism at Christmas, that is why I refferred to non-materialist ways to spend Christmas Day. All year round was not relevant.
 
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No, it is not. If you have points to make, say them
It is, and that is the point I was making.
The Church over time has established feast days throughout the entire year, yet Protestants like yourself seem under the impression that the Church only celebrates two feast days each year. Just as God established regular feast days for the Jews, the Church, which Christ gave authority, has seen fit to bring to remembrance events in the life of Christ and in His body, the Church. None of those feast days have their origin in paganism, not one.
 
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I saw a string of responses after my post, most were responding to me, and after responding to all those saw that your post was responding to someone else. That makes sense since I did not bring the materialism up. There really is so much materialism. But there is such help to others, it can be acknowledged. Since there is much more need, there should be more than what might come from churches on one day, still.


I do not know why that was directed toward me. In another thread I just was referring to St. Patrick's Day. Yes, the Catholic Church has more feasts and observances. I do not have a problem looking to the Bible for the guidance, and no problem observing things in it even with ways of remembrance, and I still have nothing convincing me that your church is given authority to put other feasts in place for us all. Gift giving, decorating with greenery including trees and wreaths, kissing under a mistletoe, and caroling, for example, were practiced by others of different faiths before being adopted as a yearly practice by Christians.
 
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I do not know why that was directed toward me.
Really? I was answering your response to me. Why would it not be directed to you
In another thread I just was referring to St. Patrick's Day. Yes, the Catholic Church has more feasts and observances.
I am not Catholic nor was I referring to the Catholic Church.
None of the above are Christmas traditions in the Eastern Orthodox Church. Christmas trees are a late (16th century) tradition originating in Protestant Germany. Exchanging of gifts was originally associated with the feast day of St Basil in the East and the feast day of St Nicholas in the West.
 
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The problem is, there's little evidence any of the things you listed were brought into Christianity from those other faiths (or, indeed, that some of those were even practiced by other faiths). Gift giving is a particularly odd one to cite, as it is a fairly natural human inclination and occurs repeatedly throughout the Bible itself!

But the larger problem is that the things you cite seem to have only become a part of Christmas in the 16th century or possibly even later. What a lot of people do not realize about Christmas is the majority of things people associate with it are inventions of the last 500 years or so, sometimes far younger than that, which is far too late to come from other religions that had died out in Europe about a thousand years prior. The idea that these somehow date back to practices of other faiths simply doesn't add up when one considers when they were actually introduced.
 
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The Puritans in England, after the Parliamentarians won the English Civil War, tried to prohibit the public celebration of Christmas.
Later on, Puritans in places like Boston tried likewise.
 
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The Puritans in England, after the Parliamentarians won the English Civil War, tried to prohibit the public celebration of Christmas.
Later on, Puritans in places like Boston tried likewise.
Where do you think the term "Christmas" comes from? Christ mass.
Its Catholic in origin.
Unless you are a Catholic, I wouldn't celebrate it.
Not to mention the fruits of this holiday centers on greed, materialism, unnecessary financial debt, unbiblical giving, etcetera.

Granted, in the past, I used to justify this holiday to be with family, but I am glad I am no longer burdened by it.
Christmas will not be celebrated in the 1,000 year reign of Christ or on the New Earth.
Christmas is simply an invention within man's religion.
 
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I asked because of your implication that I address only two feasts in a year. That is absolutely false, if it is directed toward me.

These traditions did not originate from Christianity. You can practice those, I do not say otherwise, they just did not originate from Christianity, and I can recognize this and say so. There were practices of those things a long time ago, by others while not by the Christians earlier.


This is not to mean you cannot be involved in gift giving. But I can say as already pointed out that having one day in the year meant for exchange of gifts is not from Christianity. Do so anyway, or the other practices, no one is accusing you, this just was not from Christianity but practiced originally by others before Christians were involved in the one day in the year they practice the exchange of gifts. If you choose to do that fine but don't argue with those for their not doing so for this reason of it not coming from Christianity.
 
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