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Origin of Life and dark matter research are just two pointless pursuits, along with everything to do with evolution.
I thought the sarcasm would have been blindingly obvious; the message is science is not about being institutionalized fraud.Where do you get the idea that they are all Christians?
List of scientific misconduct List of scientific misconduct incidents - Wikipedia
More fraud Royal Statistical Society Publications
Fraud and hoaxes in science - PubMed
It's easy to find.
Evolution is an applied science that has already yielded benefits. Just because you can't understand it doesn't invalidate it.
Not *my* promises. They are God's promises. They always come to pass.You're making promises *you* can't keep. We'll see how it turns out.
OK.Anticipation is always done by conscious minds. Anticipation has zero meaning when there is no conscious observer around to form a conclusion of: anticipation.
No .. its always a cognitive inference (a conclusion) being made by a human observer (as is: 'an evolutionary process' also).
Yet both arrangements of bricks are the product of intelligent design. Your test for "design" is useless.
Yes .. So what?
Each of the three emboldened terms above are what either you, or some other human mind naturally does.
What's so 'profound' about that?
There's a risk here of a circular or tautological definition of anticipation - i.e. anticipation as done by conscious minds is unique to conscious minds.
There's a good argument to be made that anticipation can be applied more widely - consider the leaves of a Venus Fly-trap that anticipate the arrival of a fly to trigger their closure, or the structure of a cactus that anticipates long periods of drought, etc.
What the various forms of anticipation have in common is conditioned 'learning' or programming of various sorts - the persistent effects of past experience of the environment preparing the anticipator for similar future conditions. In the case of the plants I mentioned, it's a evolutionary process; in the case of higher animals it's a cognitive process. But there is a variety of intermediate forms of anticipation.
if we find the entire fabric of the universe and biology permeated with specifying information...
The problem with applying this to the entire universe, you no longer have a point of comparison.
With everything else you describe, there is a comparison involved. For example, with the rocks spelling out "Susan", what you're really doing is using pattern recognition based on pre-existing knowledge and comparing that pattern to the surroundings.
You can't do that with the entire universe.
All you're really doing is just invoking an arbitrary philosophy about the nature of the universe.
We need the most objective possible measure: phenomena which occur by virtue of conscious anticipation of a future consequence v those which occur through reaction to past events, can be determined where there is enough specifying information- because this can only exist through conscious anticipation of the future consequence- of what that information will specify.
Yes, but that won't do you any good. All that test gives you is the ability to sometimes conclude that design is present. What you need is a test that will allow you to distinguish between an apparently random scattering of rocks that were distributed by natural causes and another was scattered by intention.Yet you obviously know which pattern is designed and which is not don't you?
Because the pattern in the random pile is not in itself designed, regardless of whether or not it was put their by an in intelligent designer, (it could be a collapsed wall) you see the distinction?
You could scatter rocks randomly on the beach v write 'HELP'
both were the product of your intelligence, but only one contains the definitive fingerprint of specifying information by design.
It still works, that's what makes 'information' the more objective measure
Another argument from another school of metaphysics altogether which has nothing to do with ID.Arguably nothing could ever exist without consciousness, otherwise you are left with the paradox of an infinite regression of cause and effect, with no creative power to ever establish itself
It looks like most of the main stars in the cluster are late B stars. I'm not well read in astrobiology, but those don't sound like good candidates for life formation anyway. There does seem to be a star (HD 23514) that is a closer solar analog with possible signatures of current planet formation.
Yes, but that won't do you any good. All that test gives you is the ability to sometimes conclude that design is present. What you need is a test that will allow you to distinguish between an apparently random scattering of rocks that were distributed by natural causes and another was scattered by intention.
Evolution is an applied science that has already yielded benefits. Just because you can't understand it doesn't invalidate it.
for example?
Leaving aside the fact that I'm not sure what you're suggesting is even valid to begin with (I don't think what you're suggesting is in fact objective), anything you're applying to the entire universe a whole there is no measure. You're just making a grand pronouncement about the nature of the universe.
Remember when I said there was a dead end to these discussions? This is it.
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