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Why I can't accept Christianity
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<blockquote data-quote="Kim7229" data-source="post: 73325438" data-attributes="member: 414199"><p>That's not true. See <a href="https://infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/contradictions.html" target="_blank">Bible Inconsistencies - Bible Contradictions</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>So you dismiss certain portions of the Bible. Can you help me understand the process you use to determine which portions to dismiss and which portions to accept?</p><p></p><p></p><p>There are many places on the web where it is very eloquently explained. A quick search for "the problem of evil" or "the problem of omniscience" will yield numerous links which will show you how they are contradictory. But the sites I like the most are:</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/ipuofacsj/posts/1600553276696652?__tn__=K-R" target="_blank">Invisible Pink Unicorn</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/ipuofacsj/posts/1538077079610939?__tn__=K-R" target="_blank">Invisible Pink Unicorn</a></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]gmjFVP6qkiI[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>OR in a nutshell:</p><p></p><p>Premise 1: <a href="http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Evil" target="_blank">Evil</a> exists (e.g. torture, rape, terrorism, tornadoes, the holocaust, tsunamis, babies getting cancer, etc.)</p><p>Premise 2: God is <a href="http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Omnipotent" target="_blank">omnipotent</a>: he is capable of doing something about evil.</p><p>Premise 3: God is <a href="http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Omnibenevolent" target="_blank">omnibenevolent</a>: he does not want evil to exist.</p><p>Premise 4: God is <a href="http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Omniscient" target="_blank">omniscient</a>: he must know about all evil in the world.</p><p>5) From premises 2, 3 & 4: a God with these attributes would prevent evil occurring</p><p>6) From (5), evil exists ergo an omnipotent, omnibenevolent & omniscient God does not exist</p><p>While this doesn't show that God doesn't exist, it does force us to rethink our idea of what attributes God has. </p><p>Some will argue that God must allow evil in order to accomplish some kind of greater good. But if God is onmipotent, he could accomplish his greater good without the evil occurring. Others will say that God must allow evil to avoid interfering with free will. But if God can do anything, then for example, he could have rerouted the jetliners which struck the WTC on 9/11 and had them safely land. By doing this, he hasn't interfered with anyone's free will. </p><p></p><p></p><p>That wouldn't be what a loving god would do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kim7229, post: 73325438, member: 414199"] That's not true. See [URL="https://infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/contradictions.html"]Bible Inconsistencies - Bible Contradictions[/URL] So you dismiss certain portions of the Bible. Can you help me understand the process you use to determine which portions to dismiss and which portions to accept? There are many places on the web where it is very eloquently explained. A quick search for "the problem of evil" or "the problem of omniscience" will yield numerous links which will show you how they are contradictory. But the sites I like the most are: [URL="https://www.facebook.com/ipuofacsj/posts/1600553276696652?__tn__=K-R"]Invisible Pink Unicorn[/URL] [URL="https://www.facebook.com/ipuofacsj/posts/1538077079610939?__tn__=K-R"]Invisible Pink Unicorn[/URL] [MEDIA=youtube]gmjFVP6qkiI[/MEDIA] OR in a nutshell: Premise 1: [URL='http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Evil']Evil[/URL] exists (e.g. torture, rape, terrorism, tornadoes, the holocaust, tsunamis, babies getting cancer, etc.) Premise 2: God is [URL='http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Omnipotent']omnipotent[/URL]: he is capable of doing something about evil. Premise 3: God is [URL='http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Omnibenevolent']omnibenevolent[/URL]: he does not want evil to exist. Premise 4: God is [URL='http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Omniscient']omniscient[/URL]: he must know about all evil in the world. 5) From premises 2, 3 & 4: a God with these attributes would prevent evil occurring 6) From (5), evil exists ergo an omnipotent, omnibenevolent & omniscient God does not exist While this doesn't show that God doesn't exist, it does force us to rethink our idea of what attributes God has. Some will argue that God must allow evil in order to accomplish some kind of greater good. But if God is onmipotent, he could accomplish his greater good without the evil occurring. Others will say that God must allow evil to avoid interfering with free will. But if God can do anything, then for example, he could have rerouted the jetliners which struck the WTC on 9/11 and had them safely land. By doing this, he hasn't interfered with anyone's free will. That wouldn't be what a loving god would do. [/QUOTE]
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